Newborn State "Kosova" !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrY16EtEgdE

The singer is my cousin !!!!
I love you Shkurte and missed you!!

it is great song

Yeah I love it too !!

how can i put picture on zorpia

create an acc at photobucket
then copy the URL after having uploaded the pics ;)

1.USA
2.Albania
3.France
4.Great Britain
5.Italy
6.Australia
7.Turkey
already recognized Kosova!!!!
Congratulations!!

hey where is albanians in zorpia
i think they celebrate

Yeah they are still celebrating :)

i was in one croatian restaurant with 1500 albanians from zagreb.it was great national party

Wonderful:)
Finally after a 96 years of colonisation!!

Ofelia, sad to say, now u will become an American colony!

Maties ;) You know that's not true right, do not tell me you believe it :)
EULEX is there Kosova is apart of EUROPE, and the term of "American colony" is out of question.

"apart of Europe" or a part of Europe? Were u already accepted in EU?:) Don't you understand, don't you see the changes: before Britain ownув most colonies, now US is taking its chance! It's evident! It's better disguised . "U still don't want our democracy? So, we are coming!" They try to rearrange the borders, which always leaded to World Wars!

I meant a part of European continent, why do not understand where do you get your "colony ideas" there ,you seem to forget why it happened this way, remember, war, ethnic cleansing, deportation, albanian refugees all over Europe cause of the war, it would goo on that way if Milochevic wasn't stopped, So yeah European countries knew very well that the policy of Milochevic would bring only refugees there,
Then it is a question of revolt, values , a nation that could not accept to be treated like that in their own land ,
I just saw a report last night in a village Called "Krusha e Vogel' 185 man were killed from the Serbian army in 1998, 95 bodies were still missing, a village was emptied, no more males there, between them many children only because they were males...
How could you pretend that Kosova stays under Serbian sovereign???
It would be unrealistic to believe that.

Dear, you want to be understood, express your ideas more clearly;) I am against any violence in former Yugoslavia! I think ethical contradictions could be overcome, u lived peacefully in Yugoslavia before, right? That's what I stand for, i am not against ur people.

And one more question: How many portraits of Clinton and Bush can u see in Kosovo? I know the answer:)

you r a lolipop

Ofelia, i tried pm but it didnt work. can u pm me? i need your help with somethin

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cestitaj nam na nezavisnosti

ahm na kakvoj nezavisnosti :) vi niste nezavisni hehehe a sad samo cekamo da napadete srbe i da dobijemo izgovor da nasa vojska ponovo udje na kosovo i da zavrsimo sa gamadi

a zasto bi mi ikoga napali.ovo je najnevjerovatniji scenarij.nema rata vise.ne razumijem zasto ga prizivas

srbi nikad to nece priznati, a da bi albanci uspostavili kontrolu nad celom teritorijom moraju da potcine srbe... i tu se albanci da propadnu u zemlju

srbi sa kosova ce imati sva moguca prava samo nece moci imati svoje institucije.takva prava nema ni jedna nacionalna manjina u svijetu.srbi ce biti na kosovu kostutivni narod

znas sta................mogu ja ovde da raspredam sa tobom do sutra............vides sta ce se dogadjati

ma nece nista biti.sad je sve godtovo

tek sad pocinje

premlad si i prebuntovan
ostani doma netko ce ti razbiti glavu zbog stvari koju ne mozes promjeniti

hahahaha odlicna reakcija
mislim i da sam znas da sam u pravu

zar mislis da ce te nesto promjeniti ako razbijate svoj grad

to nekoliko idiota izaslo na ulice da divlja, oni su debili....ja njih nigde nisam ni spomenuo

adekvatna reakcija od strane ce se desiti........moram reci da me smaras a i nisi vredan da bi se ja sa tobom dopisivao
tako da ZBOGOM

cuj tko gubi ima se pravo ljutiti

ok

Kosova has been firstly Albanian,for a time was also Serbian, one day you tried to expell the albanians that made them expelle your sovereignity, now will remain :) albanian but with a new vision giving same rights to its minorities.
Sorry Dejan , I hope you will know how to manage this event !
I hope a new era of peace will open between our nations.

lol "things are about to begin" and we all know when Albanian state was created so don't sell me that crap about Ilirians and how Balkans belong to Albanians.
Bottom line until Serbia says Kosovo is independent nothing will change, especially for Albanians there..they will still be unemployed, that region will remain criminal whole of Europe where barbarian Albanian clan rule, and if Albanians go against Serbs we will have excuse to return our army there.. as for nato and UN remember Bosnia or RSK in Croatia

Your view :)
My history is everything but"crap" ok Is that clear
In the other hand your last decades history was full of crimes and genocides.
Today World knows you , and you are showing it as you have shown it in the past: your major problem
is ULTRA NATIONALISM !!!!
Wrong path for a nation!!

said the Albanian.....I wonder how long will it take for you guys to start problems in Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece...or why not Italy and Croatia...that was also Ilyria

Nope:)
Greece is fine
Macedonia signed the Ohrid tractate, albanians there have their rights now.
Croatia are our best friends , the greatest albanolog was croatian remember Milan Soufflay you killed him.
Italy hahhaha you are making fun aren't you;) They are our friends today! ( among the first to recognize Kosova)
Welcome to reality Dejan ;)

I killed him, oh I can't remember, in that time I was to busy killing Albanians. as 4 year old I could not remember whom I killed

I acussed the serbian police for that :)
Not me actually the facts testify it .

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that means that your nation will decrease right hahhahahaha
Well I m happy albanians in Kosova replied to ethnic cleansings and deportations by having more and more childrens:)
jealous :)

my nation is decreasing, we loose every year 30 000 people, in fact all of Europe is loosing its people, only west have high immigration income so they menage to deal with it
as for having more and more kids
hmmmm I cant say Im jealous cos one should not have 10 kids if they will live in poverty like Albanian but I would like that Serbs have 3 kids per family instead of one

I am happy albanians In Kosova reacted like that toward your policy of deportations.
Actually you know what is more sad about your country Dejan
having tradition in hate and ethnic cleansing ;)
Thanks God you can not act like that any more but it has made you bitter.
You do have a long way to follow in order to find peace in your hearts .

my country has a long history of ethnic cleansing, didn't we already had similar discussion where Varick point out Albanian crime against Serbs during ottoman era and under Nazis?

Milan Sufflay, outstanding Croatian historian and polyglot, killed in Zagreb in 1931
Albert Einstein
Heinrich Mann

APPEAL TO THE INTERNATIONAL
LEAGUE OF HUMAN RIGHTS
125, AVENUE DE WAGRAM, PARIS
Distinguished friends!
We cannot let pass the occasion to alert the International League of Human Rights to the events that led to the murder of a Croatian scholar Dr Milan Sufflay on February 18 [1931].
As the scholar was going home on that day, he was, on a street in Zagreb, attacked from behind and, according to the reports we have received, murdered with an iron rod. The next day he succumbed to the heavy injuries and died. He was buried at Zagreb's Mirogoj Cemetery on February 22, next to the other Croatian martyrs.
Professor Milan Sufflay was renowned for his numerous research articles and activities. Zagreb's newspapers, however, were not allowed to report on the activities of this scholar. The obituary notice was confiscated and condolence telegrams were not allowed to be sent. It was not allowed to announce the time of the funeral, and the hanging of a flag of mourning on the university building was forbidden.
The students that attended the funeral were banished from Zagreb by police authorities and the Croatian national tricolours that decorated the wreaths were removed.
The name of the murderer, Branko Zwerger, was known. The organisation that he was a member of was also known ("Young Yugoslavia"). It was known that the murder was arranged on the night between February 11 and 12, in the flat belonging to the commander of the city, General Belimarkovic. Brkic, Godler, Marcec and the murderer Zwerger were the members of the "Young Yugoslavia" organisation that took part in the assassination. Despite that, the Zagreb police announced on February 19 that the murderer was unknown.
The following facts preceded the murder of professor Sufflay:
1. On the occasion of the visit of the King of Serbia to Zagreb in January, a number of the most renowned personalities - Croatian leader Dr Vlatko Macek, Dr Ante Trumbic, Dr Mile Budak, university professors Dr Filip Lukas, Dr David Karlovic, Dr Milan Sufflay and others - were sent threatening letters signed "For the King and the Homeland," according to which their lives and the lives of their families would be the price if there were any protests or demonstrations during the King's visit to Zagreb.
2. King Alexander held a public speech to the terrorist organisation bearing the name "Young Yugoslavia," in which he spoke about removing Croatian representatives elected by the people, which he had carried out. He said: I have removed the representatives. He himself gave the initiative, that is the order, for his formal removal from the parliament, to be transformed into a physical, that is lasting, removal. June 20, 1928, when the Croatian leaders were murdered in the Belgrade parliament, should be used as a guideline.
3. Following that the government's press appealed to the public to murder the leaders of the Croatian people. Thus it was written in the government newspaper "Nasa sloga" (Our Unity) in Sušak on February 18: "The heads will be smashed."
4. On the same night, Professor Sufflay was murdered in Zagreb. The second example of an open invitation to murder was published on February 28 in the Split journal "Zastava" (The Flag), while further invitations were published in the Maribor journal "Jugoslaven" (The Yugoslav). Some members of "Young Yugoslavia", who had the task of carrying out the murders of Croats in foreign countries, were on March 12 in Vienna caught while carrying out preparations for the murders, and were handed to the courts in Vienna for judicial proceedings.
A delegation of Croatian national representatives handed the League of Nations in Geneva a Memorandum, dated January 25, 1930, which was also sent to governments and organisations of all cultural states, warning them about the situation in Croatia. The Memorandum was an accusation before the entire world against the absolutist rule of the King of Serbia and against the terror and horror of the rule against the Croatian people. As facts have proven, the horrors since that time have only be come worse. With consideration to this alarming state of affairs, we ask of you, the International League of Human Rights, to take all the necessary measures to put a stop to this endless and violent tyranny.
Murder as a source for achieving political goals must not be tolerated.
Glorifying murderers as national heroes must not be tolerated.
We feel that it is the duty of the International League of Human Rights to appeal to all those that respect freedom and the human rights of nations, to oppose the tyranny that rules in Croatia and to start the most dignified protest. All countries, especially France, Germany, Poland, Austria, places where the International League of Human Rights exists, have the responsibility of acting as a shield for this small, peaceful, and enlightened nation.
We await your decision and send you kind regards.
German League of Human Rights
Albert Einstein
Heinrich Mann
April 1931, Berlin.

Source:

Moldova will not recognize Kosovo's independence
oh no we are doomd

Does not matter :)

I never understood why those regions fought so much, i dont understand why cant the ppl just get along with each other, why do we need so many borders? Is it about religion? Why do u think its such a good thing they are independent? Are they prepared for it? to be independent its not so easy ask our brothers moldaviens. And why do u care so much u are not even from Kosovo. What if our minority would ask for their independence, the teritory of our country where they live, who do u think would agree it would probably start a war. They should have learnt to live together and tolerate each other. Im sorry but i dont really agree with this, its my opinion, dont take it personaly, im a very pacifist person.
*hugs*

How could you understand if you never asked for or tried to know...To learn is one thing but it is unrealistic in Kosova s circumstances, check for history of Albanians and you will understand. What do I care :) Cammon my Father is From Gjakova city (city of Kosova) the half of my family is from there , it is not that we are 20millions of people as a nation, there are 2.4 million and within Albania 3.6 million , we are strongly related, do you get it ????
Than look for God's sake what happened there...
I am Albanian and Kosova is the second Albanian country In Ballkans unfourtunately we had to be together , but if that is the price so Albanians from Kosova leave in Peace , we will not look to be unified.
Too bad our neighbours do not understand, but it will not stop Kosova in its progress as a State !!

I have only one question for u.
Was Kosova part of Albania, i mean was albanian teritory? if yes till when?

yes it was till 1912!!
Check it out what happened, google can provide you enought info and also the topic in Zorpia
"Kosovo truth"

ok one more
since when?

here :
http://www.zorpia.com/forum/10/270468

hahaha i knew u dont have an answer for this cause nobody does.
I checked some links and read a little bout this, im sorry to tell ya but the kosova's history is very not clear, nobody really knows which country's teritory was it from the begining, but I know for sure it was part of Serbia.here is what i found:
By 1190 Kosovo had become the administrative and cultural center of the medieval Serbian state ruled by the powerful Nemanjic dynasty. This dynasty lasted 200 years and still today Kosovo is known by Serbians as "Old Serbia". However in 1389, in the famous Battle of Kosovo Polje, the Serbs and their allies were defeated by the Ottoman Turks and shortly Kosovo became part of the Ottoman Empire. Albanians started to move back into Kosovo in considerable numbers in the 15th century and the Ottomans took sovereignty over the region in 1489. During this time the great majority of Albanians were still Christians, and Serbs and Albanians lived together in reasonable harmony. Gradually Albanians and to a lesser extent Serbs became converted to Islam. Serb resistance to conversion was strengthened by activities of the Orthodox Church since Kosovo contained many seminaries and was the home of the Serbian Orthodox Church. In the late 17th century Serbs left Kosovo in large numbers as a result of military victories of the Ottoman Turks. This caused the Serbian "center of gravity" to move northward to the region of Belgrade where it has remained ever since. This displacement of the Serb population is known in history as "the great migration". As a result, the region of Kosovo became underpopulated and, attracted by available fertile land, was resettled by Albanians moving eastward from the hills of Albania. At this time these Albanians were both Christian and Muslim.

I se you did not read the sources I have posted there on Kosova :)
Too bad :)

well i had to find different sorces cause u know u might be subjective

Exactly
I took an article based in different sources :)
Anyway as you say history is made of many pages,
Our problem is that we declared Independence verylate comparing to our neighbours, that made us a territory to be sacrificed in order to have peace in 1912. As I mentioned above the conference of Ambassadors 1912 , Eduard Gray (minister of foreign affairs of Great Britain at the time ) said
Peace was found by sacrificing the territory of Albanians.
Still We would be in peace if there was not a policy of ethnic cleansing that went on and on toward albanians during 20th century.

and that is the real truth, but careful Ofelia will start talking about Ilyrians now
and how Albanians were on Balkans before Christ was born

she lies, ask Ofelia when was Albania created as a sovereign state
they were servants of Turks and Nazis

So then what is next? If kosovo now is indepentet so ..... now let see ITS FREE TO UNITE WITH ALBANIA ---> is that all?
And take part of Macedonia(all West Macedonia) and unite in Big ALbania......haaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha
hey Good Luck KOSOVO i REALLY mean it cous you'll need it :*

clap clap wery nice said :)

kosovo is from Servia!

no kosovo is new state in europe

kosovo is from serbian people,emigrantes from albania cant take over this serbian land is not right,serbia have reasons.

well that is your opinion

is not opinion is real,and it will remain like that,serbia,russia,china,spaine,romania etc will not recognize kosovo like independent never,emigrantes can not take a foreign land like that,serbian will take over the situacion soon or later USA will leave kosovo.

no that is not real
kosovo are independent state
we dont care aboat serbia,russia,china,spaine,romania,greek,cyprus.
america england germany and other powerfool cultural land will recognize us
what we have if portugal recognize us
nothing

well said Joao

did you break mcdonalds in belgrade last night

ahm that was protest for healthier life lol

well you done great job for kids in belgrade
come to zagreb and destroy our mcdonalds

do your own dirty work lol

e nemam pojma zasto se uopce dopisivamo na engleskom
kako je u beogradu danas
imam frendove tamo
blok 45

mirno...al nece jos dugo trajati, evo cujem neke price o mladoj bosni

my opinon is independent,cauz i dont suport albanian or serbian,is juste weher the true are.
if ther is states in europe that deserve independence is basque cauntry in spain or transnitria in moldavia.
kosovo have the suporte of USA bath serbian have the suporte of russia. so the party is not yet over.

the party just got started, the world wont be the same, the UN has collapsed, international law showed that is not existent so why should anyone follow it

Where do you base your facts that Albanians migrated there ????

don't play naive on me, you know that is true, just check through demographic data how their number rapidly increased
first by migration then with high birth ratio

yes they was also some albanian bath not as much as serbian,bath albanian have 3/5 kids and serbian have 1 or 2 so ther is now more albanian than serbian.
the problem was wen the first albanian come to kosovo serbian receive them well and yers as passe and now thos emigrantes want independence.this will make other cauntry stop to receive emigrantes cauze is the cauze of many problem.

yes, Serbia learned in the hard way

wen milosevice puth the albanian emigrantes in trains bak to albanian it was to late to restor the mother land cauze the USA come to bombe serbian,they was killings in booth side and now injustice will not be accepted by serbian or russia and other cauntry,it will take time to know if ther will be indepence or not is not in usa hands or serbian bath in russian hands.

Sources.....
My God Ignorance is A Queen here !!
By the way
any Idea about
"Dardania " ???
Where was it !!

I know where it was and as for sources Ofelia you are a smart girl, so you know I speak the truth, you just play dumb here to make look Albanians as poor souls who have suffered and finally they have received justice

dont worry who is really intersted to understand, does, i did:
"The earliest known inhabitants of Kosovo were called Illyrians by both Greeks and Romans. Albanians today claim to be direct descendants of the Illyrians. Serbian scholars claim that Albanians appeared on the scene in the early Middle Ages as a result of intermarriage between nomadic shepherds and unromanized remnants of Illyrians and Dardanians from Thrace"
There is nothing clear before 1190. I totally support u!!!!

and you from portugal know balkan problems
i dont think so

they do, cos they have similar problems

so if i´m portugal and dont know the problem in kosovo so wath are the USA doing ther dah

butt i dont care aboat portugal.

in portugal ther is no region that want indepence cauze portugues are unite and all cauntry that speak portugues are united.ther is peace portugues troops in kosovo to maintein peace if you dont know now you know.

I meant area, Spain

can u give me a link where is written that there are true historical evidence(including years or old papers) to prove that kosovo was albanian teritory before 1190?

tell me why would she doo that.who are you for us.we dont care if you dislike albanians.i understand.romanians and serbians are ortodox
that is the reason why you suport serbia
but romania is little country with no influence in eny desitions.

hmm I don't know how well are you with Geography but Romania ain't that small
and it is important that neighboring countries dont recognize Kosovo cos that way Albanians will eventually have to reintegrate in Serbia cos their papers wont be valid, they will be isolated and wont be able to travel anywhere

why are u interfering in our conversation if u dont at least read all? she claimed that kosova was an albanian teritory and i asked her to support her afirmation, as i sustained mines. And for ur information i dont take part of anybody just because of the religion, im too wise to accept all the religions as long as the ppl are good and right. I have no reason to support serbia except the justice.

I just said I agree with your post
thats all

lol that was not for u :) was for s30

if you are realy interest read this.butt i doubt

Kosovo was annexed by Serbia in an unlawful manner Kosovo’s independence will in no way be in contradiction with international law. On the contrary, Kosovo independence even before being qualified as a “classic case of secession from a sovereign state”, as Serbs argue, should be considered as “annulment of an unlawful annexation. In fact it was Serbia that acted in contradiction with international law in 1912 when it annexed Kosovo through military occupation after its aggression against the Ottoman Empire, “even though Kosovo had its historic and ethnic identity, accompanied by its right to liberation, whether that was from the Ottoman occupation (1912) or Fascist occupation (1944), and in spite of its geographical demographic and cultural integrity”. Consequently, instead of admitting its unlawful act, which she committed while violating international law in a bold manner, Serbia is now using an argument which is scientifically and historically unsustainable, namely to “preserve its sovereignty over Kosovo”, which, as proved by facts, she held in an unlawful manner for a long period of time without ever asking the majority population of Kosovo or having their consent. Kosovo was occupied during Balkan wars (1912-1913) in contradiction with the aspiration of the Albanians, expressed during their national liberation movement 1878-1912. In this manner Serbia, in spite of getting the “international legitimacy” for the occupation of Kosovo, in no way was able to justify the legitimacy of its act. In addition to this, Serbian possessive attitudes towards Kosovo which refer to history are unfounded. Firstly they are unfounded in its methodological qualification of the national character of a territory because if history is to be taken as a criteria, in light of contemporary national-territorial realities, Hungary has the right to the Panonic part of Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Hungary would argue about their rights over Belgrade, Greece would claim a right over Istanbul, Albania over Janina, Mexico over Florida and California, Sweden over Finland and Norway, Germany over Shlezi and Sudet regions, Denmark over Shlezivik, Iraq over Kuwait etc. Secondly, Serbia’s possessive attitudes towards Kosovo are unfounded in the aspect of material truth, since Kosovo, in spite of allegations of such nature “in neither a cradle of Serbian nation, nor of Serbian state”. Finally, imperialistic ambitions with “historic rights” could not be defended by England, France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, which, as it is known “with centuries held many nations under their occupation. Therefore “with the destruction of colonial empires over 120 new states were created”. Serbia was “under the occupation of Ottoman Empire for over five centuries (1389-1878). Spain “had conquered all Latin America in the beginning of XVI century. Neither do “Russians ever mention their historic rights over Ukraine”. Historic arguments speak very clearly that “Serbs were placed in Kosovo with their expansion under the rule of Nemanjics’”. As a result of occupations during the Ottoman Empire, many ethnic minorities, such as Serbs, Turks and Roma, were placed in the ethnic Albanian territories. The Serbian minority was greatly expanded with the violent colonization that occurred between two world wars; nevertheless their percentage never exceeded 10% of the overall population. On the basis of these facts the conclusion is very clear: it was in deed the Serbian aggression, occupation and annexation of Kosovo that violated the international law and not otherwise, namely that Kosovo independence would violate international law. History is a witness of denationalization policies; of gross crimes against Albanians during 1912-1918; for genocidal Serbian plans for the extermination of Albanians; for the deportation of Albanians in Turkey and for confiscation the lands of the population and its colonization with Serbs and Montenegrins. The time period between February 1998 and June 10, 1999 only exceeded these special cases and took the gravity of a general genocide of the Serbian regime against Albanians.

i read all this,im sorry but before Ottoman ocupation kosova was part of serbia, then serbia took its right back thats it. I dont care what happened after, i just asked for some proves before 1190.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Balkans
read it if you want some answers

And how do you think the Kosova is gonna make it by it self? If romania is a little country then how is Kosova? Are u gonna help those ppl or this is just the begining of an albanian extinction? For God sake we are in 21 century the teritory are done. There is nothing more to conquer.

Ypu do not get it do you!!!
Albanians were not emigrants there they were in their own lands from thousands of years!!

kosovo is a land from serbia with minority albanian,bath a lot albanian come to servia to have a better live and serbian receive thos emigrantes from albanian and years after the albanian are now the majory so can emigrantes take over a lande,will france belong to the nort african emigrante,will england belong to pakistan emigrantes,so kosovo will remain in serbia untill russia decide to give up to serbian frends.

Well you are 100000000000% right
Finaly somone thinks inn the RIGHT WAY :DDDD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rxduwRfP9s

kostarica thank you

and austria tomorow