Newborn State "Kosova" !!!

so they go Independant at around 3pm your time?

yeah :) Albanians all over the world will celebrate , this is the second biggest day of the Albanian Nation !!

well good luck. I seen this last year. I just hope the Serbians dont start anythin. But i doubt they will.

Thank you :) I hope so too , and I hope that albanians will know how to respect Serbians living there, I believe they will do fine, history has taught them that minorities should be respected being themselves a minority before in ex Yougoslavia. Greetings to you Eddie!!

yes. if they treat the serbs right, they should be fine

well that didnt happen..not on the serb side anyway..they have gone crazy riots all round beograd..but hey dey killin demselves which means we dnt hav 2 do it for them..

That's amazing: Serbs became a minority in their own country! :))))) Terrific!

Congratulations for the independence; as far as you know Spain is a country that had to fight for his independence, mainly from the romans, Arabs, and french in the early 19th century, you know aswell we have such a big problem with Basque Country and Catalonia, two parts of spain wnat to get the independence. In my opinion these two spanish areas have more in common than your country with Serbia (both them speak spanish and the area dialect, htey sahre too the currency and many more customs. I don´t really know what would or could you have with a Serbian, instead you use the same currency as the mostly European countries, you did great fight for your independece wiht the laws support (As far as I´m concerned) altough the last knwes form your country shows some lunatics attacking some border points. Before I´m leaving know what´s the best second biggest day for Albania (maybe the st is the Milosevic´s death) see ya

Exactly Elena , as you pointed , it has nothing to do with tha catalogna and Basque question, it is a SUI GENERIS case,
you did not commit ethnic cleansing on the inigenous people in 20th century, as ex serbian policy did, not to mention the division of Albanian nation in 1912. So yeah I understand Spain's position and I am sure that forspain is just a question of time.
I think media should make it more clear it a SUI GENERIS case, and then it will be easier to understand.
Thanks for your words :)
Besos from Albania!

Of course it does! These territories will take Kosovo as an example! Ladies, u'd better discuss latest fashion collections;)

Good history knowlege!:) !Bien! Then half of the world had to fight for independence from Spain:)))))) Romans:))))) What about pre-historical times?

08:33

05:25 !!!

05:00

new born flower state
KOSOVA

Thank youuuuuu:)
You are really kind !!

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what a ...
See your flag better,

serbian eagle looks realistic atleast

I love your "at least"
Our Eagle means a lot to us its connected to our identity ,
Eagle= Shqiponje
Shqiptar = Albanian
Tell me the connection between Serbs and eagle since you have one as well;)

Two main elements are white eagle and a shield with cross (cross=rune)... They come from dinasty of Nemanjic and Lazarevic in refernce to Byzantine Dinasty Komnina i Paleologa. It represents courage etc Its because of Christianity.
And by the way Serbs are South Slavic and were pagans until all deities were converted to saints by eastern ortodox church... So the eagle has much bigger meaning and is realaited to roots of Slavic ppl and their religion!

You can not say much more bigger :) I respect though the relation you express here to your flag. It is related to your religion the orthodox one as eagle, not SLAVIC the eagle is a symbol used by most of Europian countries. By the way since to you it is related with your religion, orthodox one, how does that flag relates the serbs that are muslim ;)

No no no no... You see... Eastern ortodox church came and convert, destroyed etc all Slavic religion... Therefore Perun the God Of Thunder and Ligtning became Sveti Ilija -.- than Svarog supreme god-creator and God of fire became Sveti Djordje etc I'am not the ortodox christian so I'am open minded when I talk about these things... I think that white eagle in Slavic religion represents much more but I will keep that tought for myself... Serbs that are Muslims were Christians! They were converted because of the war between Serbs and Turks that was waged 500 years...

I know that albanians were christians as well before the conquest by othomans, do youknow that by the way
Anyway the Albanian flag the Black twoheaded eagle is a symbol of Ghegs and Tosks (north albanians and south albanians)
That is why to us is very important. And The flag we have today was raised by our National hero Scanderbeg in 1443 when he fought the othomans and kept them away from Europe for 15 years, he was even considered from the Pope of the time as the "Athlete of Christ"
So as you say everyone has his own culture, and reason to love his national flag, I did not insult it though as some Serbian friends of your here insulted the Albanian flag.

I could not care less for flag of Serbs or Albanians... Do I have something from it? Nope... I rly do not see the point in caring about unimportant things like that. I was just telling what do I think about the eagle on the flag because I'am very respectful to Slavic paganism so I study it when I have time... We are all humans yet we are distracted with things that will not help us "evolve" if you know what I mean. The greatest enemy of every human being is ego and because of the ego of some ignorant fools that have power all this bad things are happening...
*-I write for a sepecies of man
that does not yet exist:
for the "masters of the Earth"-*
-Friedrich Nietzche-

LOL =) KOSOVO JE SRBIJA ZAUVEK =) and u can cross this out 2 not b seen =P thats easy.. lols coz u know its the truth.!!

Naravno da je Srbija. Biće smešno kad reču svi da nepriznaju Kosovo...:)

Russian Two-Headed Eagle looks the best!:)

04:00

Is ir good or bad?

it is not good :)
it is Wonderful!!

so YaaaY :)

India is wonderful, and your eyes too!;)

Finally!
Free drinks on you.

hahah :)
Thanks !!

CONGRATS TO KOSOVA'S SERBS, SHIPTARS AND EVERY CITIZEN of KOSOVA ON THEIR INDEPENDENCE...
next stop... VOJVODINA, then BOSNJAK's SANDZAK...

Thank you !

ahhh no prb... BOSNA would always be in ur favor... as we were at the time of war in Kosova...many Kosova immigrants still inhabits bosnian soil... always welcome, always will be...

congrats? wtf? independence of Kosovo will fu*k up our country too! I see you're from Srebrenica so i suggest u start calling it republika srpska soon....Kosovo will never be independent! Why should we all suffer because of Šiptars?

what the fu*k r u talking about... Kosovo had a right to get its independence whenever they wanted... just like any other nation in Ex-Yu Federation... Republika Srpska was a creation ofonly a prior and temporary enthity to stop the war in Bosnia... Soon, RS would be just a hitory...

jer vi imate vijest u Srebrenici ili se samo ti praviš glup? pročitaj ovo danas u vjestima...
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL2089618920080220
i ja ne želim ovo ali znam šta će kosovo uraditi nama! And wtf r u talking about sandžak for? it was never a republic. My opinion is that if u weren't a republic then u don't get independence!

slusaj care... koliko god oni nesta trazili mogu samo da nam ga popuse za republiku srpsku... Republika Srpska je samo tvorevina za zaustavljanje rata... to je sve
aaa Kosovo je autonomija jos bila pod Titinom Vlascu... gdje Tito dao takdjer i vojvodini... znas li zasto... Cetnici su ubijek mastali o Velikoj Srbiji... Njima je to Tito i Donio bio... Yugoslavijom.... medjutim jedno je nedostajalo... Cetnik treba da vlada njome... a dobro znas kako je poslije Tite... Ehhh da nebi Albanci nastradali na Kosovu il madzari u Vojvodini, dao im je autonomske oblasti da bi se mogli otcijepiti bash kao sto smo se svi mi otcijepili...
Puska u ruke, i sve preko drine... samo li zadru u granice Bosne i Hercegovine... to ce se desiti...

tisina, svinjo vehabijska! nije vam bilo dosta? srebrenica je u republici srpskoj a ti se seli u federaciju ili u tursku ako ti ne odgovara. muslimani u bosni su i najebali zbog takvih kao sto si ti...

hmm... posle svega vidimo ko koga jebe... al znas ono kako nasi ljudi kazu... "history is repeating its self... bice Kosovsko krvoprolice ponovo/Bice glava Cetnickih da se sagradi jos jedan dvorac u nisu" muuuuhahhahahah potomak ti srpski tvoj...
o daaaaaa, a gdje je RS i sta je ono RS... HAHAAHAHHA

ako bi dobila Republika Srpska nezavisnost ili ne...najebaćemo inako! Biće naravno borba... a ja ne želim to opet! a ti? Naše pare i naša moć je otišla u Kosovo dok su bili u Jugoslaviji. Mi smo napravili Prištinu i sve u Kosovu, a Albanci su samo došli na gotovo jer je im bilo bolje na Kosovo negu u Albaniji!

Pitah te ja care odakle si iz bosne... dok mi ne odgovoris mjesto, nemoj mi se obracati... kkk

Kosova is 90% albanian and 7% Serbian......
Not be ruled by Serbia again...
(New York, July 27, 1999) -- Human Rights Watch today released a detailed report on how Serbian and Yugoslav forces besieged and terrorized the ethnic Albanian population of Glogovac town and the surrounding villages in Kosovo.
Human Rights Watch urged the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia to locate and interview the police officer identified in the report as "Lutka," who may have valuable information about the identities of those who committed summary executions and other atrocities in the area.
The twenty-five-page report describes summary executions, including a massacre of twenty-three children, arbitrary detentions, regular beatings, widespread looting, and the destruction of schools, hospitals, and other civilian objects during the Serbian government's three-month campaign of "ethnic cleansing" from March - June 1999. As a stronghold of the KLA and an area of constant fighting with government forces, the Glogovac municipality was particularly hard-hit between March 19, when international observers (the OSCE's Kosovo Verification Mission) withdrew from Kosovo before the NATO bombing campaign, and June 15, when Serbian and Yugoslav forces withdrew from the region.
The most serious atrocities documented in the report took place in two villages near Glogovac: Staro Cikatovo and Stari Poklek, both places where the KLA was active. In Poklek, the police blocked a group of ethnic Albanians -- mostly members of the extended Muqolli family -- from fleeing their village and forced them into the house of a relative. After a few hours, the owner of the house, Sinan Muqolli, and another man were taken outside, executed and thrown into the family well.
Shortly thereafter, a grenade was thrown into the room holding at least forty-seven persons, including twenty-three children under the age of fifteen. One man in uniform raked the room with automatic gunfire, a survivor said, killing everyone inside except six people. A member of the Muqolli family is a local commander of the KLA.
A Human Rights Watch researcher visited Sinan Muqolli's largely burnt house on June 25, 1999. The room where the killing took place had bullet marks along the walls and bullet casings from a large-caliber weapon scattered on the floor. The basement below the room had dried blood stains dripping from the ceiling and walls and a large pool of dried blood on the floor. Surviving family members displayed a cardboard box containing some of the bones allegedly collected from the room and showed the nearby well where they claimed some of the bodies had been dumped.
In Staro Cikatovo on April 17 the police attacked the village and separated the men from the women and children. By the end of the day, twenty-three men from the Morina family had been killed. Another four were still missing as of June 25 and presumed dead by their families. The survivors from Staro Cikatovo insist that none of the dead men were involved in the KLA, although several members of the family are KLA soldiers, including two who were wounded in the assault. As in Poklek, this may be one explanation for the executions.
Human Rights Watch visited Staro Cikatovo on June 25, 1999. Between 40 and 50 percent of the approximately one hundred homes had been badly damaged or destroyed. Most houses had been burned from the inside, indicating that they were purposefully burned rather than damaged in combat. Several structures had also been demolished by bulldozers.
The actions in the Glogovac municipality were clearly coordinated between the regular Serbian police, the Yugoslav Army, and paramilitaries, whom witnesses identified as having long hair and beards, with colored bandanas on their heads and sleeves. While the police were responsible for many of the beatings in Glogovac, as well as the organized mass expulsion, it is the paramilitaries who are implicated in most of the serious violence, such as in Poklek and Staro Cikatovo.
The only person identifiable by witnesses was a deputy police chief from Glogovac known as "Lutka," a known policeman in the town. Residents said that he did not behave brutally, unlike many of the paramilitaries, although he was involved in thefts, and he was a principal organizer of the forced depopulation in early May, telling Albanians that they should "get on the buses or go to Albania by foot."
It should be noted that these abuses are hardly the first war crimes committed by Serbian or Yugoslav forces in the Glogovac municipality. Since February 1998, the Drenica region has been the sight of numerous executions, arbitrary detentions, beatings, and the systematic destruction of civilian objects, such as schools, medical clinics, and mosques.
Human Rights Watch called on the international community to support the work of the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) by guaranteeing ongoing financial and political support to the Tribunal, assisting the Tribunal to identify witnesses and evidence, and working closely with the Tribunal to secure evidence and ensure the protection of witnesses.
The organization also urged the international community to provide the Tribunal with any intelligence information obtained that relates to the commission of war crimes, including the identification of specific units engaged in operations in areas in which abuses occur, and to convey relevant satellite intelligence information to the Tribunal.
Source: Human Rights Watch

Being from the United States... did you know that the Lakhota Nation (Native Americans) declared independance from the US on December 19. 2008? How would you feel if people started recognizing them without the US permission?

I do not like to post such things but your comments leave me speechless

I applaud this movement (lakota). You write as Serbian nationalist or academia. You claim to be Macedonian. This topic is about the celebration of the New Nation of Kosovo.
You do not believe in human rights, only when they apply you. Stalinism,colonialism, imperialism, fasict and oppresion must end.

1. Great for you! Wait until the Mexicans down south start having these seccession movements.
2.I'm not Serbian. Im a Bosnian or Bosniak.
3.I never claimed to be Macedonian. I support the Macedonians in the naming dispute with Greec and I call them "my people" because thats what they are.
5.I don't believe in human rights? Think about the human rights when as many as 50 countries are fighting their seccessionist! Also please do not talk to me about human right. Do we need to start on your human rights in Iraq, Afghanistan or Guantanamo Bay?
6.I don't belive in Stalinism and I don't like Stalin! I also hate facism and that's my countries motto!
Smrt fašizmu, Sloboda narodu! (Death to facism, freedom to people)
7.Also do we need to start with colonialism in your country?
You can't just go supporting things that you don't know anything about or things that you see or hear on CNN. Please read some of these pages before you comment on me.

I wish to just help you understand why me and others here oppose this so much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence#Historical_background
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possible_consequences_of_Kosovo_independence

WIKI hahhahahhahhaha
Keep it for yourself , I refer to real sources ;)
You make me laugh with your possible consenquences :) stuff there hahahhahaha ,
Sorry I do not even think of visiting such sites!
By the way you can keep insulting, because it is more you.

Ok then you can use your sources where you claim 100 countries recognize Kosovo. (yeah those are the real sources)
Can I ask you what religion you are?

go to my profile someone asked me about it, I gave a reply to it
As for 100 countries
57 Islamic Conference ( I posted the sources)
Didn't I
The others Is by tv CNN, BBC
Corriere de la sera
www.tf1.fr
etc
Do you want me to post the sequences from TV channels?
But even if here you have 57 plus 19 one of you mentioned here I is already 76
Plus Slovenia just took the decision that is 77
Anyway I will make the effort to post the sources for every country if you want.

ohh so you are basicly nothing in religion. the one's in Kosovo are the same about religion. That's why we other Muslims don't like it when Kosovo is called Muslim because they just call them selfs that as you explained albanians do. By saying that they are Muslims they make the rest of us look bad...
As for the 100 countries i already explained this to you... The OIC said that they congradulate Kosovo but they will allow their memebrs to decide for them selfs. Azerbaija, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan already said no while Afghanistan, Turkey, Albania, Malaysia and Senegal said yes. Look at the link i gave you (and it's not Wikipedia) look at the sentence starting with "as the islamic states...."
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/186745,organization-of-the-islamic-conference-backs-kosovo-independence.html
It's not about I'm right and your wrong but you can't claim countries that haven't chosen a side!

you do not have the right to judge the others in their Beliefs :)
At least if that is for that, we albanians were never divided as you serbs because of religious matters, even though we were separated in 4 different countries, we respected our nationality.
Ok you are saying 2 countries of OIC have said no:) fine there are more than 55 that are expected to recognize it.
We may not be as religious as you are, but we never insulted religions, and you will never have events of religious hate In albanian lands.

ok but we don't want you to give us a bad name because of your actions... just like serbs don't want to get a bad name becasue of what happened in Belgrade today.. right?
By the way I'm not serbian...notice the name? Thank you for realising that you gave out the wrong information with 100 countries. 3 countries said no from the OIC (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Azerbaijan)and the news is just in saying that Iraq is deciding. Also Bolivia & Ukraine said no so right now it's offcialy 16 yes and 18 no. And of course there is no events of religious hatred beacsue alabnians are mostly atheist or very non-religious

There are some ways of being religious, I do not pretend to be "as you" but in my way of behaving I use no insults, you do it though, and as far as I know how religious you are is reflected by the way you behave, to me even though I do not want to judge ...you need to learn to deserve your being "muslim" , cause your attitude here shows the contrary!

Well at least i have a religion! And everyone her has to agree that it is better to have a religion then not to have any!

no. i have no religion and im happy about it.

heyy Eddie have a look to the videos I posted and the lies this guys make, it is really amazing how some people never grow up:)
Have a great day:)

We can repeat the mistakes of the past. Multiple issues requiring much debate. You seem to want to side track issues, make others mad in your delivery. I first thought you to be academia.

yeah but your country has epeated the same mistakes over and over and over and over! And actually I don't know how this concerns you! Are you from Kosovo?

Just to reply you :)
I am albanian my father was from Gjakova;), but whatever you seem to forget that we are one nation and we have always been strongly connected :)
Keep dreaming man :) Kosova is being recognized from most of the countries one by one , some will not recognize Kosova but we do not care :)

yeah it should matter because you can't be independent unless most countries recognise you!

If the most important countries of the continent where you are recognizes you that is the most important ;), then you will see anyway one day even the countries that have not recognize it will do it, but of course it will require years may be.

Time :)

um no...all countries are important because they have relatioships with each other.
For example South America:
Argentina says no! So Venezuela follows them and says no. Then Bolivia follows Venezuela and says no!
Asia:
Russia says no so Kazakhstan says no, Kazakhstan says no Kyrgyzstan says no, Kyrgyzstan says no Tajikistan says no!
See the pattern????

You will see , it is just a question of time, forthe moment in my point of view is going great :)
SO what ever if you are pleased with the NO effect I am happy with the YES effect :)
ok

ok your opinion, i am happy with the no because now more say no than yes...

Listen Adnan:) you make me laugh :)
We may "talk" here as much as we want, nothing will change because of that, no matter how I wish or you do to :)
So please:) If you think more are saying no than yes :) ok Glad for you :)
I think soon enough you will have an official list that will unfourtunately for you, disappoint you :)

what i know is official. The news dosn't lie like it does in Kosovo and Albania and I don't lie like you! I don't claim no 100 countries. I hope you are here on the day that Kosovo lists the people who have reognised it (MArch 10 I think you said...) i hope you come on line so i can ask you how you feel when you find out the truth and right now it officialy 16 YES and 19 NO. If you want the sources for all of these i will gladly give them to you!

"yeah it should matter because you can't be independent unless most countries recognise you"!

Independent means: 'not subject to control by other' or 'self governing'. Kosovo will have their own gov't and constitution. Just because some countries do not recognize them, it doesn't mean they are not independent.
Israel is not recocnized by 39 states. Taiwan is only recognized by 25 states. South Korea does not recocnize North korea and vise versa.
Your statement is wrong.

kosovo already had it's own government because they had autonomy...Israel is recognised because it controls the US but that's another topic...Taiwan is still recognised as a part of China and North & South Korea are both recognised as different....As you see many states have not recognised Kosovo and for example look at Western Sahara...47 states recognise it and have their embassys but it is still considered a part of Morroco and also they were recognised by 37 states but these 37 withdrew their recognision....And the United States also said that they do not recognise Morrocon control over Western Sahara like they said for Serbia and Kosovo...see the similarity?

"kosovo already had it's own government because they had autonomy".
>>>>>> 'OWN GOV'T' as an autonomous region of Serbia is different from OWN GOV'T as a sovereign state (which Kosovo have now). The two are very much different in the sense that the former is self governance where it's policies agrees to follow governing laws and it's actions answers to a higher authority, which in Kosovo's case they follow Serbia's authority. This was a fact as evidenced by Milosevic overturning the veto rights (on federal level) of Kosovo and the transfer of many autonomous rights to central authorities in Belgrade.
Republic of China or commonly known as Taiwan considers itself as a sovereign state. It is unable to access a seat on the UN because of the fierce opposition of the Peoples Republic of China. PRC has never controlled Taiwan since it was established in 1912. Taiwasn is an independent state as it is not being controlled by any foreign entity and it's gov't is recognized by 23 states.
On the case of Israel, many will agree that it is an independent and sovereign state as it is recognized by the UN. But because most of the muslim countries do not recognize them, does that make Israel less independent? No. Same as with Kosovo, just because countries allied with Serbia won't recocnize it does not diminished the fact that they are independent too.
A country is sovereign and independent so long as it satisfies the definition of self-governing and not ruled by any other state.

:) Thank your for giving some education here :)
By the way I will add normally the autonomy does not provide a ministry of foreign affairs:) so yeah Kosova has its own ministry of foreign affairs :)
Long live KOSOVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

keep dreaming becasue morroco & sudan said they might not recognise it...:) oh and i spoke to your friend aulona and she is much more nicer and understanding than you...take some tips from her!

Exactly Chuck!!
Kosova will never be ruled by Serbia again, there is no reason in world to support that !
thanks for sharing this article with us.

Too bad you have no say on it...;)

You forgot Republika Srpska

According to the University students in Banja Luka... it's already independent... hahahahhaha

It will be Independent

hmm.....

separate then what? shame to all separatist cause they think they will gain power or something ,in the end they just created a new neighbouring hateness with serbia//

Yeahh , your thoughts are ful of ignorance sorry , you missing what happpened there!!!

Good luck

Thank youuuuuuu :)

best wishes too

Grazieeeeeeeee:)

È il benvenuto :D

congradulations

Thank you!!
What I mostly loved yesterday in Kosova is the fact that there were many other flags beside the albanian flags there were European ones, US ones , British ones, French ones,I even saw a Canadian flag :)
I am sure they will write it down in their history books all this support given to them !!

im very happy for all of you. im glad that my country could help. its nice to see something good come out of our (by our i mean the kosovo people and the rest of nato)participation in recognizing a soveren nation.
sorry for the bad spelling

Thank you Brian :) the US will always be considered as friends for Albanians!!

I saw an Australian flag myself:)
In my opinion this is good news, every country that can handle independence and any country where a majority wants independence, should be allowed to gain their independence:)
Good luck for the future:)

yeah :) that's the most beautiful Independence day ever seen
Cause there were many flags!! Isn't it great:)

yeah that's called a** kissers! u really think that these countries care? When people see u with those flags they hate u even more!

Right! So naive to think US is helping Kosovo out of love for Albanians:)

sorry to BURST your bubble but Canada is not supporting Kosovo's Independence cause they are against Quebec separating. So who ever told you about Canadian flags being waved....

i support it on an individual level. i am not speaking for canada just my self

At this occasion I want to say
Happy Indipendence to all Kosovars

Thank you :)

You are welcome.I think after a long period of sufferings and sacrifices Kosovars deserve this freedom.Do you belong to Kosove?

yeah, congrats when people start seperating in Pakistan too? Kosovo's independece will cause too many problems world wide!

You are right.It is difficult to congratulate those who has seperated from your country.In the begining every new state has to face many problems.Bangladesh was a part of Pakistan before 1971.Our politicans'behaviour created many problems and Bengalies have to declare independence.
Similarly Bosnia was a part of Yogoslavia and now it is an independent state.Why did Bosnian people wante freedom?

I understand. They arn't seperating from my country because I'm not from Serbia, I'm from Bosnia. Bosnia wanted independence because they belived that they would be controled and because we all agreed to seperate. Kosovo was never a republic in Yugoslavia so it had no right to seperate. Also Bosnia's independence didn't cause any problems with the rest of the world like Kosovo will.

You right Kosovo was always Albanian ;)

no kosovo was never albanian but they did decide to give up claims to it and that's how it was incorporated in to Yugoslavia. And also because if they did anything, Yugoslavia would have invaded Albania.

any fact to support that !!!
How could you even believe it!!!

ti se jos nastavljas s njom? ko ju jebe. sad ce ih rusi ugazit, a njih niko ne sme da bombarduje

jebeš joj mater, imaje svuda. uvek daje neke laži... A nebil Rusi ove Amerikance rešili već jednom....

vidim. vise ni ne citam sta pise. ne pita se sta rade srpske crkve iz 12 veka na albanskoj zemji koju smo uzeli tek 1913...
rusi danas rekose da ce da upotrebe silu na kosovu ako se ovako nastavi, kaze BBC. nebi pricali da ne misle stvarno...

Finally you are reading some history :) even if it isfrom BBC;) good sign anyway.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7258801.stm

I heard already about it some hours ago
A question fpor you "??????"
Would you agree to make another war and crimes on Kosova?

yes

I knew you would answer like this :)
anyway have a look at this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7247634.stm

well, war is the only solution...

for what :) being killed again and again ..
Anyway I personally do not believe there will be a second war for Kosova .

i know it will be, and very soon.

i wonder if you are just speaking words or if you would fight

i'm out of this topic. i have better things to do.

pusti budalu... vidiš da je pitam a ona nik ne odogavra na pitanja! sad ćeš videti šta ću staviti na forum....ali nije ništa novo...ovo mi već znamo u ex'jugoslaviji...:)

Here what you wrote as for Bush's whas been clarified , your pics there do not show how he has taken off his watch;)But the contrary happened two nights ago , here a video that shows how these two serbian girls have stolen
fresh video of two days ago :) Enjoy it

And here the proof that bush's watch was not stolen :)
Enjoy it and tell me who is the liar here:) A YouTube video shows the entire sequence.

* At 00:51 on the time counter: Bush has a watch on his left wrist.
* At 00:54: He looks down at the ground, as if he has dropped something.
* At 00:58: He looks down again.
* At 1:00: He puts both hands behind his back, and a bodyguard seems to grab them.
* At 1:04: His watch-free left wrist is clearly visible.

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No Albanians stole Bush's watch
Tue, 06/12/2007 - 4:07pm
To set the record straight: No one in Albania stole U.S. President George W. Bush's wristwatch this weekend while he was visiting the Eastern European country.
Some news outlets had reported that when he was walking through a tight crowd of excited, cheering people, and reaching out to receive their grasping hands, someone swiped his watch. Both the Albanian police and U.S. embassy have confirmed, however, that the story is untrue. Photographs show Bush putting his hands behind his back so one of his bodyguards could remove the watch.

sources :http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/5101

Sure...lol! Of course the US and Albnia will say no because they don't want to embaress your people....It's typical of Albanians to do something like this...i'd be suprised if you didn't steal it...lol! You can believe what ever you want but we know the truth1

Hello my Bonian neighbor unless you are a serb
THE LAST ATROCITIES OF THE 20th CENTURY (for limbic)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5hP70-FcVOs

Shahid leave him :) He is out of reality !
He is in Bosnia and he says I will not let them "divide" my country, they could not live with Serbia being slavs ans serbians, in the other hand this guy here pretend that Albanians that have nothing in common with slavs (serbia) should live under their sovereign.
I am asking you Adnan how legal was the anexation of kosova in 1913????,
Just wake up for God's sake and stop crying over something that is over.
Albanians in Kosova deserved their Independence, Kosova was just a Serbian colony!!
Keep dreaming the ethnic cleansing is over, Adnan, keep fighting between muslim serbs and orthodox ones as you did up! Find peace between you and leave theothers live in peace!
My best wishes to Pakistan , I am happy your opposition won the elections. Wish you the best and peace.

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do you still believe to be a muslim ;)

No i don't belive I am... I KNOW I AM! RE-Read what i wrote and then respond to those questions....

I do not read your comments anymore
Very low level comments not worthy of attention , but I am happy you show how you are , it is a part of your civilisation.

re- read the comments and answer the questions. what's wrong with that? there are things in there that i really would like your opinion on... whats wrong you can't answer them?

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Thanks for your wishes.I hope new government in my country will try to solve the problems of common people.Our country was divided in 1971 because of miltary rule and its injustice.
I think many people are against independence of Kosovo.They have a right to express their feelings but they should not use abusive language.We should respect others'views.

yes we all support its independence!
coming from a country (pakistan) that had to pay alot for it to be independent we realise how great a step it is!

=) its not a new state and by far will ever be one.. as most memories lie there =) and im disappointed how a group of morons could come 2gether and give albanians independence when yet they could hardly control their own countries =) so ur dont clap ur hands for them as it takes an 1 second for a group of idiots to come together... couple hours to make a decision.. and forever for a whole country to change their past ways =) xx

you are so wrong , but I am not going to try to convince you.
Cause you are missing the fact that the real Independence day it was not 24h
it took decades !!
The Independence of 2 days ago was a formal one.
The past do you know anything about the past in my area???

She seems fixated on the formal one. See her other topic? It's like she thinks this is some spontaneous thing, wtf.
Anyway, good to see Kosovo get what it wants.

hey Tom ...
You are talking about me ?

yeahh it took decades?? its between serbia and albania what does USA or whatever have to do with it all USA wants to do is get back at serbians.. AFGHANS are muslims also but did the americans help them .. and wait albanians are muslims also.. there is no difference.. and america doesnt want to help you they just want to get back at other countries.. so exactly you dont know.. what your on about america hasnt been discussing kosovo from decades just recently!

Nope, talking about Snezana.

ahh ok :) apparently she does not like her own topic anymore :)))) hahahahahaa
best wishes from Tirana !

TOM your australian and yet you havent even been there have you? Obviously you dont understand its serbian land okay here ill give you an example Australia was owned by ABORIGINALS.. untill convicts and people from england came and claimed AUSTRALIA to be "their land" .. and ofcourse guns are more effective then spears so they couldnt really do much could they.. so lets take your house for example =) say you owned your house i had no where to stay so i came in and settled for abit then afterwards i claimed that it was my house not yours and you have to move out.. but you couldnt do anything because the guys next door are pretty powerful so you have no say.. sucks doesnt it?? .. =) im sure you wouldnt be quiet happy either!! so until someone comes and decides that AUSTRALIA is theirs not yours.. and you have less power to do something about it.. dont make stupid remarks!

"TOM your australian and yet you havent even been there have you?"
Course I'm Australian, what does "and yet you haven't even been there" have to do with me being Australian? Is it compulsory now? :o
In answer to your question, nope, haven't been there.

"Obviously you dont understand"

O rly? and some girl still in high school does?

"here ill give you an example Australia was owned by ABORIGINALS"

The Aboriginals never believed they owned the land, they had no concept of ownership of land. Your point is invalid.
"untill convicts and people from england came and claimed AUSTRALIA to be "their land" .. and ofcourse guns are more effective then spears so they couldnt really do much could they.. so lets take your house for example =) say you owned your house i had no where to stay so i came in and settled for abit then afterwards i claimed that it was my house not yours and you have to move out.. but you couldnt do anything because the guys next door are pretty powerful so you have no say."

Lets bring this example into relation with the whole Kosovo/serbia thing. I could take my appeal to get my house back to the UN or some higher power: in the case of my house, the police/legal system, and odds are I would get my house back. Yay!
Anyway, it's Serbian land, right? How come only a minority of Serbians live there? Why did Serbia go and commit all sorts of war crimes? Hmm, seems to me that when they started slaughtering people they lost the right to Kosovo, and only now has that been formally recognised.

"so until someone comes and decides that AUSTRALIA is theirs not yours.. and you have less power to do something about it."
Doesn't have to happen, I'm allowed to comment as I have a working knowledge of politics and international relations. Hell, ANYONE who has an opinion on the matter is allowed to comment. Telling people to shut up is just something people do when they have no way to back up their argument, ala you.
"dont make stupid remarks!"

LOL Irony!

"it's Serbian land, right? How come only a minority of Serbians live there? Why did Serbia go and commit all sorts of war crimes?"
Kosovo is legally part of Serbia under UN Security Council Resolution 1244. And that won't change with the council in deadlock.
Incidentally the UK is suppose to be British land but it won't be long before the British are a minority majority.
And as for war crimes, well yes that happened. On both sides I must add. But however look at what has happened in recentish history of Europe when land has been stolen from another country, has never gone well. Hitler of course springs to mind, "living space". Only one of many examples, the declaration of independence for Kosovo will only be the future cause for another war at sometime I would envisage, even if it is in 100 years.
Quite frankly I do believe the Albania's in Kosovo should do what all immigrants in Europe of that type of origin should do. Go bloody well home, this would avoid another war over Kosovo.

Good point.

I guess I am just good :)

TOM =) it is stupid.. lol the UN is just as stupid as AUSTRALIA all together what is it to you what is happening in kosovo!! are you albanian or serb? do you know the history apart from the internet? its between the serbians and albanians idiots like australia and america should stop acting so tough and worry about there own problems!

"lol the UN is just as stupid as AUSTRALIA all together"
Lol, righto. Australia is stupid, got any proof to back that up or do you just like to make general racist statements?
"what is it to you what is happening in kosovo!"
Because this has larger implications in the international realm than JUST Kosovo/Serbia. You don't have to be albanian or serbian to have an interest.

":do you know the history apart from the internet? "
Why, yes, I do actually.
"its between the serbians and albanians idiots like australia and america should stop acting so tough and worry about there own problems!"
Australia and America have roles to play in the world at large, we're able to worry about other countries as well as our own, are you so close minded as to not be able to see that? :/

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here :) some sources as asked form people that have gained Masterand PHD in insulting
http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=67934
Riyadh, Feb 20 (DPA) The Jeddah-based Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) declared its support for Kosovo's independence, viewing the move as an asset to the Muslim world, reports here said Tuesday.
"As we rejoice in this happy result, we declare our solidarity with and support for our brothers and sisters there," said Ekmeleddin Ihsangoglu, OIC Scretary General, according to a statement issued by the organization.
He added that the Islamic community hopes that Kosovo would successfully build a strong state capable of satisfying its people.
"There is no doubt that the independence of Kosovo will be an asset to the Muslim world and further enhance the joint Islamic action," Ihsangoglu said during a speech at a meeting for senior officials Monday.
As the 57 Islamic states, members of the organization of the Islamic conference, endorsed the declaration, the recognition of Kosovo is left up to each member state.
Kosovo declared independence Sunday after the province has been under UN control and NATO protection since 1999.
Kosovo is the sixth state carved from the Serb-dominated federation since 1991, after Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia and Montenegro. Tens of thousands of people were killed in ethnic fighting during the break-up of Yugoslavia during the 1990s.
The OIC aims at protecting the interests of the Muslim world, and is considered to be the second largest inter-governmental organization after the UN.

WHERE IS Y VEIL????????
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You know how will it end up?- There will be a new American rocket base in Kosovo. And Russia will have to aim it's nukes at it, no other option. Guess you won't be able to sleep tight knowing this. It makes me sad, really. I think there's already enough tension in this world.

Part of article taken from :
http://www.albanur.net/kosovo/independence_of_kosovo.html
Kosova as a Colonial Problem: Albanians under Belgrade Rule

Serbia’s treatment of Albanians as an oppressed and unwanted people did not begin with the war of 1999, or Swith Miloševic ‘s rise to power in 1989. Ever since Serbia’s invasion and annexation of Kosovain 1912-13 - i.e. of a territory where, according even to Serbian estimates, around 60% of the population was non-Serb - Kosovaor Albanians have suffered constant repression and persecution, and have continuously been viewed by Serb nationalists as a threat to the interests of the Serbian state. At the same time, Serbia’s expansion into non-Serb territories and the systematic maltreatment of its non-Serb population has had a deleterious effect on its will and capacity to create a democratic polity. The anti-Albanian policy continued after the formation of the Yugoslav kingdom in 1918. Albanians were deprived of the right to education in their mother tongue; their rights as a minority population (rights enjoyed by other minorities such as the Hungarians and Germans in the north) were not recognized; and they were excluded from citizenship. Until 1929 indeed, Belgrade emphatically denied the existence of any Albanian minority in the kingdom, while simultaneously instituting a policy aimed at changing the ethnic structure of the Kosovaor population. In the period between the two world wars, Serbia confiscated over 200,000 hectares of land from the local population - nearly half of all arable land - and distributed it to Serb settlers. The number of settlers soon rose to around 60,000, or over 15% of the overall population. There were also plans, only partly realized, to deport most of the Albanian population of Kosovato Turkey. After the end of World War II and the constitution of Federal Yugoslavia, Kosovabecame an autonomous province within the newly constituted Republic of Serbia. Anti-Albanian terror continued, however, under the direction of the Serbian and Yugoslav hard-line leader, interior minister Alexander Rankovic (4). It was only after his removal and the marginalization of dogmatists within the Yugoslav League of Communists in the mid 1960s that it became possible to create a new constitutional arrangement, as a result of which Serbian rule was removed from Kosova. The latter now became a self-governing federal unit, with rights and responsibilities equal to that of Yugoslavia’s six republics and the province of Vojvodina. It remained a self-governing federal entity until 1989, when an orchestrated campaign to revise the Yugoslav constitution was launched by the Communist League of Serbia headed by Slobodan Miloševic . Kosova’s autonomy became the first casualty in Miloševic ‘s war against Federal Yugoslavia(5). Following the violent abrogation of Kosova’s autonomy in 1989, Miloševic ‘s regime expelled Albanians en masse from state and public employment (around 90% of Albanians working in the administration and 70% of those working in public and socially owned enterprises were dismissed); shut down the University of Prishtina and nearly all high schools; closed down or muzzled Albanian-language media; exerted brutal repression against Albanian political activists; and established a generalized system of apartheid in Kosova, where the Serb minority now ruled with the military, police, political and economic backing of Belgrade. During the 1990s, Belgrade tried to return Kosovato the condition in which it had been in the 1930s. This project was destined to fail, however, because the Albanian population was no longer what it had been at that time, having already enjoyed an improved political position under the advanced autonomy of the former Yugoslav federation and Kosova’s own institutional and state structures. Thus the attempt to bring Kosovaback to a regressive state triggered a mass mobilization of its Albanian inhabitants, initially for resistance and later to fight for the right of self-determination, as with the other entities of the former Yugoslavia(6). The Albanians’ bitter experience under Belgrade’s rule during most of the twentieth century, culminating in the mass killings and expulsions of 1999, abolished any Serbian claim to legitimate rule over Kosova. It is clear, moreover, that the attitude of the Serbian leadership towards Kosovahas undergone no fundamental change despite the removal of Miloševic from power.
Faced with systematic Serbian state terror, the KosovaAlbanians maintained a peaceful resistance for several years. At the end of the 1990s, however, when purely political resistance had proved ineffective, the armed resistance of the KosovaLiberation Army was born. This won the support of the majority of Kosovaors. We view these two forms of resistance as complementary rather than exclusive, since each under certain circumstances and at a certain time contributed to fulfilling the aspirations of the people of Kosova.
NATO’s military intervention in 1999 following the unanimous decision of 22 countries and in support of chapter VII of the UN Charter, and the resulting withdrawal of Serbian forces, created conditions for a just settlement of Kosova’s future in the form of international recognition of its independence. This decision should have been made by the Western powers already in 1999, but for various reasons - including pressure from Russia and lack of determination among Western political and diplomatic circles - it was not. The delay further complicated the situation in Kosova and the Balkans. The international civilian and military presence in Kosova- KFOR and UNMIK - created conditions for security, reconstruction, and the establishment of the first democratic institutions after the 2001 municipal elections and the subsequent parliamentary ones. However, the fundamental question in Kosova- the sovereignty over its territory - remained unresolved. Without a definitive solution to this problem, it is illusory to hope for long-lasting stability in Kosova and the Balkans. As mentioned earlier in this report, the crisis and dissolution of the former Yugoslavia was set into motion by Serbia’s violent policy towards the Albanians of Kosova. The Serbian leadership even now continues to mobilize Serbs in both Kosova and Serbia on a nationalist platform. In the last couple of years, rather than focusing on Serbia’s democratization and its serious economic and social problems, Serbian political parties and opinion makers have preferred to keep the Kosovaissue on the boil. Recent opinion polls and monitoring of the Serbian media show a high level of hatred against Albanians, much higher than against other nations with whom Serbia fought even bloodier wars, such as Croats or Bosnians. At a conference held in Prishtina in June 2005, two of the most prominent Serbian intellectuals and political activists, Žarko Korac and Latinka Perovic , denounced such attitudes as shameful and racist (7).
Official Serbia has never admitted the atrocities perpetrated by their forces against the Albanian population of Kosovaduring the war of 1999. This aggression, which principally targeted the civilian population, resulted in the killing of nearly 10,000 people; the expulsion of almost half the local Albanian population; the disappearance of thousands; the rape of countless women; the destruction of nearly 150,000 homes; as well as other traumata and sufferings impossible to quantify. It is illusory, if not downright immoral, to believe that after such an experience a population could be forced to live in a union with the state that carried out such aggression, and that has yet to express remorse and accept full responsibility (8).
The complete and unconditional separation of Kosova and Serbia would represent both a guarantee to Albanians that they will not face renewed repression, and an opportunity for Serbia seriously to address its past and redefine its political identity. Freeing Serbia from Kosova would represent an opportunity for it to break once and for all with aggressive nationalism and archaic colonial thinking, and to commit itself to its own democratization. Such a development would provide the basis for a healthy and peaceful cooperation and co-existence between Serbia and Kosovain the Balkans.

I love this Albanian song

Brasil is 04:38 am ahuahuahauahu

Poland will recognize Kosova tomorrow:)
Thank you Poland!

tension are rising,the only way kosovo get true independence is wen Russia reconize kosovo,
but russia and usa are playing game power,
something will gona hapen and its seem no good thing:(
does Russia decline on USA in kosovo,is the only way,
russia is bean essencial showing well is power,
let´s see wat happen in coming day´s.,.

Little Anesa, a granddaughter of Zeki Shylemaja who fell during the War in Kosova, holding an Albanian and French flag.

These images were provided by
http://www.kosovothanksyou.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=139
Finally the albanian children of Kosova have their own state and I am sure they will have a bright future far from hate, far from despair.
Peace for everyone !

Hate to tell you but the Russians will crush it if the Serbs don't.

I don't believe it :) It s a one way trip !!
anyway thanks for "hating to tell me "
greetings to you

Why do you believe it is a one way trip?

Because of what has been going on during 20th century from its early begginning to its end ,deportations, ethnic cleanings , till the creation of UCK and the intervention of UN , Albanians perfer to better not exist than to be under the sovereign of Serbia. I m not the one saying that, that is why negotiations failed.
There is no turn back.

Russians can and stop the UN with their veto. NATO will not risk another war considering they are already fighting on about 6 fronts, two of which are iraq and afghanistan. They will not risk a war with the frankly very powerful Russia. The EU has no military force and very little influence over Russia who holds much over Serbia.
So unless you think Kosovo can literally fight it's way to SUSTAINED independence, how else will it actually stay if those migs come flying? No Western country will fight for Kosovo again.

No problem :) Russia can not impose either to Europe which is seeking peace in Balkans,not to recognize Kosova , every country has the right to recognize it or Not we will not be ruled by Russia. Europe belongs to Europians, and they have the right to live in peace.

A large part of Russia is European, including Moscow. Anyway no rather regrettably Russia does hold influence over the EU. Russia holds the largest gas reserves on earth. Gas reserves which are not especially needed in Western Europe, but would be very annoying to some of the smaller countries in the EU and Europe such as Ukraine and the Czech republic should Russia cut those Gas lines. The countries who would lose their gas know that, and so will protest against the EU restricting Russia should such a situation arise.
However that is inconsequential, Russia does not have to have any contact with the EU over it. It is not EU land been discussed.
And more to the point as I say. EU has no military force, oh no sorry I think it has 13 transport planes, nothing else whatsoever. As the EU can't o anything about it on the ground, Russia doesn't have to have anything to do with the EU, nor does Serbia really.
It doesn't matter what everyone deserves or what the EU wants. It's actions, and as I said frankly NATTO will do nothing, UN wouldn't be able to(never can anyway) and the EU has no military.
So again I must ask, how do you think they will survive really? Who is going to fight for Kosovo who can even hope to match the strength of Russia and Serbia. Apart from NATO and EU countries, only really China and Japan and India can match Russia. Don't think China is going to fight for you nor Japan or India.

I get your point, thanks but as I said? THERE IS NO OTHER WAY
And honestly it is not Russia that rules the world!!
They can black mail in their own country as they did with Mikhail Khodorkovsky. They are far from being example of rights and democracy, and no matter the diplomatic relations filled with politicaly correct, believe me the antipathy toward Putin's policy is growing and growing.
He will not black mail Europe , and no matter what Albanians are decided.

Why is there no other way? The Balkans has always been Europe's middle east since the muslim Turks invaded. And even before then come to think of it.
And no it is not Russia that rules the world, but it is one of the leaders, it is one of 5 on the UN security council.
"believe me the antipathy toward Putin's policy is growing and growing."
From who? Russians love him, doesn't matter what anyone else think of him. No foreign country is going to execute a regime change in Russia.
Can decide all you want, but what you going to do if the Russians start bombing the s*it out of Kosovo? You can believe and want it all you want, they don't hurt. They don't get things done in war, bullets do.

n who said Russia would fight Kosova... ccccccc

No one, tell me where I said that.

then what was that all about above... russia with serbia fighting and squashing kosova.... :^(

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That's what you call hypothetical?

that's what i was about to do, but kinda realize, it aint worth arguing w/ him...

Lady after what I have seen of you I wouldn't want to either.

ohhh sorry bout that... haven't seen ur pf... so my bad!!!
n what have u seen of me???

I suggest you check a "psy" tomorrow ;)
I am me Ofelia and this is my only account in Zorpia, you know why cause i do not hide from being who I am, from saying what I believe, I do not fear from being - 8 points, and I do not am scared from those who pretend to have fought in wars (like your case)
You believe in a hypothetical way, I just hope for you you do not live in a Hypothetical life there, cause someething tells me that you feel to lonely for your young age;)

Oh how admirable you have only one account. *WOW! There goes a flying pig*. So someone else went to the troubles of creating a new account just for your topic and incidental has the exact same writing style as you? Interesting. Perhaps it is the person who made the second account who is a bit lonley :)
As for me I have a wonderful gf, many friends who can be seen in my profile pics who mena the world to me. A good job and sixth form. Lonely I am not. Tired I am though.

Ahhh,... does this mean you are done with falsely accusing Ofelia? Are we learning yet Varick? Yes Varick,.. you were wrong.


And,.. look at the writing style, the use of language. Mine is very very different from hers. I thought that someone like you might have noticed that. I already told you that playing Sherlock isn't something you do very well. Wrong again Varick.


It would have been nicer to see you say "sorry" to Ofelia, for falsely accusing her. But that's not something you do when you are WRONG, is it Varick? The Great Varick does not say sorry for the crap he causes. He just uses it to throw in more b*ll*hit (and no, I am not lonely). You can get away with this behavior at your age,.. but in the world of the grown up people it might, and most probably will provide you with some real problems.

good morning:)
Thanks for your message, hahah I was thinking there is a way to proof to him that we are 2 different persons, like msn webcam:) But I would not want to put you in such position,and secondly I think that this "fantasy" makes his life more spicy:) let better let him believe what he wants:)
Soon enough he might write a "drama' were me & you are the principal actors:)
hahhahaahha

Good morning Ofelia :)


I think we've already shown that he was wrong. The last thing I want to do is to pleasure him,.. and showing him who I am would do that. I think I'm going to keep my identity hidden from him. I have nothing against him as a person,.. I do have something against his methods and his ways to incriminate and/or falsely accuse people, as he has done to you. I have little to no respect for people that behave like that, over and over again, and then fail to apologize when they know they are wrong. No,.. this is not a person I would even want to have anywhere near my MSN list.


He already started creating that drama in the past 24 hours. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more chapters to come. And I do admit that having written what I wrote a little bit down in this thread does contribute to him turning it into a massive Soap. Time will tell I guess.

Of course you are right :)
I do not hate him either, I feel sorry for him though cause he is spending energy for nothing.
He will grow up hopefully and as you say time will tell.

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WOW. I was wrong, till not proven I may add. Who gives a fu*k. If I am wrong I acknowledge it.
Why will I say sorry to her, it it an offense to be called you?
My age, ok and you are 107.

Goooooooooooooooooooooooood morning world!!!
100 countries in the world have recognized Kosova already!!!

More will be recognizing it in the following days and weeks!
As for you Varick  your happiness is the way you write it, definitely materialistic, a “gf” ( you don’t even write girlfriend so lazy you feel about her) whatever that is your own life.
I will confess I did not pay any attention to your conversation in this topic for the only reason that is, I do not go in hypothetic since there is a reality that seems to me more important to be considered, secondly I have no time to loose 
Thirdly I am a busy girl ! I write long messages on weekends mostly or when I have more time , fourth I have replied already on other topics like “Kosova truth” and this topic had to do only with the official declaration of Independence, It was not a day that made it, it was a long period of time that led to it .
Fifth, If there are people that share similar ideas, it does not mean they are the same person as you pretend it. That shows of course how “sure “ you are about your ideas that whenever someone else (or more than one someone else) disagrees with you there should be a problem.
To me you make a vast amalgam in Kosova issue. Kosova issue shows one more time that the decisions of the past toward this nation were unjust, and the decisions that will be taken in sacrificing people, nations will always be like a bomb that soon or later will create another war. That is not me being the one saying such a phrase, that is what showed last wars in Balkans.
I

100 already? That's going faster than I thought. More should and will follow. And then there is a big responsibility for the western world to lift Kosovo out of its poverty. Support by recognition is one thing, but the past 9 years the western world has been keeping an eye on the area, actively being present, and poverty is still ruling. With close to 50% unemployment, Kosovo needs financial injections. Large ones. The western world has a responsibility here. Words are good, deeds are even better.

yeah :)
After US, and many Europian countries
57 states of the Islamic conference recognized it alltogether.
I really predict a bright future for Albanians in Balkan.
Think we could be a bridge between Islamic countries and western world , a factor of stability, for world's peace.
Time will show it better of course :)
For the moment things will go step by step :)
But of course Albanian religious tolerance is a real value in the world today. Hopefully it will help !!

CONGRATULATIONS, again!
"...Think we could be a bridge between Islamic countries and western world , a factor of stability, for world's peace." Indeed !!
Those who were shouting and screaming against it, should sit and take a break; the State of Kosova is being recognized and by the end of this week, most European countries will recognize it!
Happy for you, people of Kosova!

Thank you :)
Wish you a day of peace and love around you!!
as for me I gotta run out now :) bye!

http://kosovothanksyou.com/
19. Less that a fifth of the amount you previously alarmed. Does seem you are unable to count. This must also be the case for vote, as that person appears to think they are 107 :)

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One sentence, two incorrect assumptions.


You'll never learn will you Varick? I already predicted that you would not give it a rest,.. you will always attack people with incorrect information and bullsh1t, just because they won't agree with you. And it turns out that you are rather predictable.

Dude to be fair I stopped and let you have the last word you evidently so desperately require. It was you who started again, was it not?

Scroll up and follow the little arrows. I was replying to something YOU said,... something YOU started again. I didn't start anything, didn't say anything to you at all. You just mentioned my name right there. Just scroll up slowly, and see who I wrote to (and when), and then see what you said about me, without me having said anything about you. Forgot it already??? I'll quote you.


This must also be the case for vote, as that person appears to think they are 107 :)


Anyone with scrolling abilities can see you had to drag my name into it again.

You were speaking of me in a conversation that flashed above my responses before I anwsered.

Just follow the arrows and look at the dates and times. I wasn't talking about you or to you.

they don't have any schools in albania...

It seems that you are the ones living in 14th century ;)
Not us :)

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hahahah you're funny. Please educate us...:P

um she is wrong! Only 12 have recognized it! Check it out on here and this is true since you can find the source...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence#States_that_formally_recognise_the_independent_Republic_of_Kosovo_.2812.29

I don't know about her but i couldn't count 100, could you?

i know. She makes a habit of that over Kosovo. So does her little friend. Be careful now adnan or they will be sending private messages about you too each other as well because they have no life :)

ARE YOU CRAZY? WHERE THE fu*k DID YOU GET 100! AS OF FEBRUARY 20. ONLY ABOUT 12 HAVE RECOGNIZED IT! IT JUST SHOWS HOW STUPID U R AND HOW U DON'T KNOW NOTHING! KOSOVO WILL NOT BE INDEPENDENT AND I GUARANTEE YOU THAT!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anger_management

? your point???? u saw that she is a liar if you went there!!

I'd see she would be a liar if I would go to anger management? :S

you don't make sense! U see she's a liar so u fell stupid and have nothing to say so u reply with stupidity!

Like I mentioned,.. Anger Management,.. it helps people. Give it a try.


Oh and by the way,.. I did look at your link,.. but the data there is outdated,.. meaning you have the numbers wrong yourself. And by your own definition, that makes you a liar as well.

can you tell me how it's outdated? it's updated everytime something happens!

Then keep looking at the list. It will change shortly. Norway should for sure appear because yesterday (Wednesday) they officially announced that they recognize Kosovo as an independent nation.

13 recognise and 15 not recognise
100 in ur dreams

exactly that's what i said but this idiot and Ofelia claim 100! and it only changes, when something happens!

lol. albanian dream.
if 100 countries recognise kosovo, serbia will recognise them too...

Where did I claim 100?

it's already independent... cant do a s*it bout it

it's not! only 12 countries officialy recognize it and 15 powerful countries don't!

Are we talking world wide here?

Yes! Only 12 worldwide! You can see it at this link which is updated hourly and it has sources so you can't say it's wrong.
Well actually 13 because Austria just did a few minutes ago!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence

Go do your homework again sir, that information is still incorrect....

enlighten us. how many countries recognised kosovo?

Ask your buddy, he seems to have all the numbers. I'm not throwing numbers onto the screen because I am willing to admit that I don't know for sure, since so many countries are moving towards recognition at this moment.


Fact remains that Adnan provided incorrect figures,.. an act which he called someone else a liar for. But I am sure he wouldn't want to classify himself as such. Strange how that works.

13 recognise and 15 not recognise.
who's liar now???

What? Because your boyfriend said so? Because you read it on that wiki site that either has published incomplete, or incorrect information? I never named any number, how does that make me a liar. You name numbers without verifying them, takes a really smart person to do that. Have a good day Einstein.

truth hurts, huh?

Given the fact that you are apparently unable to disarm my comment above, I guess you speak from experience. I'll take your word for it.

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Your boyfriend haha. Oh what an original attempted insult. Tell me then, does that make ofelia your gf?(Yes I am materialistic :)
And can you not google it yourself?
http://kosovothanksyou.com/

the site you provided is not official , you know :)
hahhahahaha
anyway I am counting on the tv information I m getting from the world media , the official list you will see it very sooooooooon:)
I will post it here to make you Happy:)

Ok go for it. And what because the site isn't official it is wrong. God you are delusional. Incidentally it is a pro Kosovo site, they wouldn't say there was less than there was.

it means a lot ;)

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It is regretful to see you have not taken up my advice to get into anger management yet. From the looks of it, it seems you still need it. It's typical how you start flaming at me. That seems to be some sort of tradition over there.


Maybe you can count, but you also withdraw your information from that one site. And the information is either not up to date, or it is incorrect. Norway should be on that list as well (http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article2267503.ece). And before you start crying about how it hasn't formally signed the papers yet,... it did announce it, as did Austria. If Austria is on the list, while not "formally" having confirmed it yet 100%, so should Norway be. So,.. yell at me all you want sir, for now I think it is a compliment to be called stupid by someone like you.


Maybe you should put all that hate and anger of yours into something constructive, instead of yelling and screaming like a little baby.

Just a little update.


If your favorite wiki site is so very up to date and correct all the time,.. how come the information there is still incorrect? Apart from not having Norway on the list and having missed Finland completely (it was just now added,.. "inserted" to be more precise,.. since they obviously noticed they had missed something),.. the header of this list said "States that formally recognise the independent Republic of Kosovo (12)", while there were 13 on the list. Maybe they can't count?


Are you still sure you want to blindly rely on this webpage? Anyways,.. there are now 14 on the list, and as far as I know that should be 15 at this time. (Or 13 if you don't want to include Norway, Austria should be removed as well)... Maybe I can count after all.

it's very close to 100

what's close to 100? ur not believing this s**t are u?

13 + norway is very close to 100. lol

oh yes, im sorry i cant count :)

**Ofelia in a few Hours**
Gooooooooooooood Morning World! Today 200 countries recognised Kosovo and many more will soon!!! I repeat Kosovo was and always will be Albanian!!! Long live Newborn Kosova!!!!
*Oh wait it's not morning yet...I was just dreaming....
LOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLO!

HAHAHAHA

They update the countries but they don't update the number at the top yet! Austria formally recognized Kosovo http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1203514322.89
Norway said it will but hasn't decided yet!
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=24715
(read the last sentance)
They weren't sure about Finland yet but they did reassure the people that they do.
Oh but did you see the 15 that don't recognize it?
ANYMORE QUESTIONS? NO? GOOD!

No more questions, you just confirmed that their information was incomplete and outdated, which was my whole point. Thank you :)

So? I'm not them they can say what they want.

I wasn't talking to you Varick,.. scroll up and follow the arrows.

No ok you weren't talking to me. But of me.

No I wasn't. Show me where, and try to look at the times and dates of what is posted. Just because something flashes in you "responses box" doesn't mean the message is meant for you. :)

heyy :) I missed you there . Please do not give any importance to some posts here, it is really not worth they keep denying the reality as they did long time ago.

I don't know about that all,.. but I do know that if someone calls someone else an idiot or something like that, for not giving right information,.. and then spreads wrong information himself/herself... well,.. let's say that's not the most brilliant thing to do. In a way he already confirmed he provided the wrong numbers. Not saying it's his fault, he got them from a website that didn't have all the right information,.. but if you complete start bashing someone for giving wrong information, at least make sure that you provide the right information. That's where he failed.

he was based in WIKI :) I do not, recognition goes also when a foreign minister of a country declares that they recognize it
So yeah I kept zapping in many international tv channels, I read , and also the list is around 100 declared by the office of information in Kosova.
Anyway on the 10 of march there will be a declaration from Kosova authorities on the list of the countries that have recognized Kosova, so till then let's leave "our serbian friends" express their hate as they are doing, it shows one more time their mentality.

I do the same, I read, surf the internet, watch tv on international channels. I would not use a site from Kosova for information about these matters though, for the same reasons why I wouldn't use a Serbian website for statistical information regarding this matter. I try to find objective data, and wiki is pretty good, but from experience I know that most of the time many people edit a wiki page, and from experience I know that wiki sites are bound to have incomplete and outdated information. Doesn't mean they're bad, just slower sometimes. And most of the time, the poster of the data is the one checking it for flaws.

I wouldn't use wiki for such an issue as this for the same reason that a bias person can edit it.

yes sir, still a good read though if you want quick and mostly correct information about less sensitive topics.

Oh yes I agree. Although saying that I have seen it be wrong on less sensitive subjects, but on the whole I agree it is mostly a good read. Entertaining to read what some people have edited and expect other people to believe if nothing else anyway, lol.

the Kosovo section is locked and only Wikipedia officals can edit it! Don't belive what she is saying!!! She thinks all Muslim countries recognize it..lol! They don't make decisions together on the international scale! The EU dosn't even do that! SO far 16 yes and 16 no!

The EU can't recognise it it has no authority to. I mean literally they can't so I know that. Only member states individually can. And as for muslim countries, last time I ckecked Azerbaijan and Kyrgyzstan hadn't.

yeah i know. The OIC can't decide as a whole as neither can the EU and also Kazakhstan (50% Muslim) also said NO! She dosn't understand half the time what is written!

I know :\

You are right but of course it does depend in the source of information we look for.
So yeah the 10th of March Kosova authorities will declare the List of the Countries from whom they will have recieved the official documents od recognition. THos documents are important because they will be a part of Kosova's history anyway, so That information will be very official and true:)
I can not imagine them declaring the recognition of a country that has not made it public anyway :)
So yeah 10 March :)

May I ask where you got 100 from, really? The link presuming it was the Internet as I can't see a newspaper or T/V been that wrong. No offense.

Cije je ba kosovo... konju jedan, prikazi se ko si uistinu i prestani lagati ljude da si iz bosne...
KOSOVO IS INDEPENDENT...

Bosnanac sam! Musliman sam! Nema šta da krijem! Kosovo je Srpsko i to već znaš. Uvjeko je bilo i uvjek će biti! Kad si toliko glup pa neke stvari ne razumješ...ti živiš u neko drugom svjet gdj je sve dobro ali vrati se na ovaj svjet....šta ti misliš da će se desiti nama? I šta misliš da će se desiti svima drugima širo svjeta? Zbog Kosova će dobro Muslimani najebati ne samo u Bosni ali širom svjeta! A to je baš šteta jer Albanci i nisu toliki Muslimani po vjeri jer se oni samo tako zovu.... misliš da će ovo tek tako lako proći? e tu si se jarane dobro zajebo...samo je počelo...upali malo vjesti i poslušaj šta se dešava....molim se dragom Allahu da se ništa ne desi a zbog glupog naroda će se baš i desiti!
Meni je bilo dosta rata....neznam ako je tebi!
Pročitaj malo ove vjesti pa mi reci šta misliš....
http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1203636721.42

Care kao sto rekoh... Uvijek smo ratovali uvijek cemo ratovati... Srbin i Bosanac nikad nije mogao... Jeste Dosta je rata bilo... al nediraj moje necu dirati ni ja tvoje... Boli me kurac za Srbijom i Kosovom... meni jeste Drago sto su Kosovljani dobili Nezavisnost... al ja sa tim kao ni moja drzava nema nista... apsolutno nista... Znaci, dok ti nediras moje, sve ce ok biti... Zapni za moju djedovinu, moju vjeru, moju kulturu, moj postanak... jebacu ti od do(figurativno ti se obracam)... eee tako ti je i sa RS, Herceg Bosnom, Hrvatskom, Srbijom i Crnom Gorom... Sve dok nediraju ono sto su moji pradjedovi izgradili (BOSNA) ok sam...

pa onda nemoj mene napadati! Zbog Kosova dodirnuće nas ko što nikad nismo bili doirnuti.

sta ti znaci onda
"KOSOVO JE NASE"
"KOSOVO IS OURS"
.........
cije ba??

pa naravno Jugoslovensko! Kosovo pripada svima nama jer su naše pare i naša snaga išle u Kosovo da napravimo ono što je danas. Vidišli ti kako izgleda Priština? Priština je dans grad zato što smo mi svi napravili to! A Albanci su samo legli na gotovo i sad hoće da to uzmu! Nemam vremena da se raspravljam ovde stob... ja znam šta sam ja! Ja sam Bošnjak i ja sam Musliman i jebe se meni ako ti to nevjeruješ!
-allahimanet i laku noć!'

Euronews :)
Switzerland is about to recognize Kosova :)
I love this day!!

Why do you keep telling me, I watch the news I already know. Do you think it is gettin to me or someting?

I don't think she was telling you. You don't have to look here if it annoys you that much. And it's not her fault there's a flashy thing in your comments every time there is a new message. I think Zorpia needs to put some button there that lets people "unwatch" a topic or thread. I know it can be rather annoying to see all the replies in which you're not really interested anymore. Maybe we need to "request" it.

It doesn't annoy me at all. But I am quite sure she is doing it because she thinks it does.
And I know it is not her, but as I say I think she is going out of her way with it. I might be wrong, but that is how it appears.
And yeah I agree that is a good idea to be fair. But I doubt they would do that(the admins).

I was adressed to Adnan but i do not understand why someone else gets reply :)
What can i say..:)

Basically everyone gets a nice flashy thing once they're part of a (sub-)thread. I consider it to be useful, but occasionally annoying since you can't unsubscribe from a notification. Nothing is perfect :)

You are right nothing is perfect:)

central asian news: Таджикистан не признает независимость Косово (Tajikistan dosn't recognise the independance of Kosovo)
*yet another muslim country:)
Oficialy 16 YES 19 NO
I'll update you as soon as something is declared with others:)

Care ti izgleda js uvijek zivis u 1970's and early 1980's...
Yugoslavije vise nema... to je historija... danas imamo 7 nezavisnih i samostalnih drzava iz te nase nekad lijepe Yugoslavije...
Care, obaziri se na danasnjicu... ostavi se proslosti... jer ono sto je bilo vise nece biti

a ti izgleda živiš u nekom drugom svjetu.... pogledaj malo ti na danas! Kad se bude tvoja nova zemlja zvala RS, onda reci mi kako ti je. Šta tebi znači nezavisnost Kosova? Šta je pravi razlog?

Yo... I've been excpecting this kind of shi*... Independence of Kosova... referendum in RS... Declaration of Independence... Armory... War... and every motherfuc*ker accross the Drina River... That's what i'm waitin for...

i had enough, did you! I don't want another war! Do you understand taht? Kosovo's independace will cause a war not just in Bosnia but Macedonia, Georgia,Palestine,China,Russia and everywhere else. Do you realy think that we can defend our selfs? Our country has nothing to defend it's self with!!!! WHY SHOULD EVERYONE ELSE SUFFER BECAUSE OF KOSOVO?

Listen, as i said before... i do not want another war in bosnia... not at all... but, ready to fight for my land...culture... religion... country...
Yes, we can defend our selves... we did it before will do forever... no my man... in 1992 we had nothing... now, we have everything to finish where we left off in "Oluja"

glup si ko kurac

a ti taj kurac popusis mi i uzduz i poprijeko... onaj Turski Osuneceni...

nisi ti turcina ni vidio, ti si srbin musliman.

Jelde... Tursko Kopile jedno, ja imam posjestvo svog porijekla i svojih pradjedova...

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That's why we got in to the war in the first place! Because of idiots like you following Alija and believeing in everything else...Jebla te Oluja...posle svega što je bilo ti još glupiraš se!

Alija bio budala... ja budala... eeee moj care, svaka ti cast... znaci 20 000 000 ljudi su bili budale u staroj Yugoslaviji... a ti i tvoj izgelda "idol" Slobodan Milosevic ste naj pametniji... hahahah
posle svega... ja sam samo na oprezu da se nebi ponovilo... a takvi kao sto si ti... uvijek ce najebati kao sto su nam pradjedovi najebavali u poslednjih 200 godina...

jebo te Alija i Milošević! Zbog Alije naše zemlje više nema i toliko našeg naroda je sad u zemlji, pa ti meni reci ko je glup. Ako ne želiš još jedan rat onda mi reci zašto želiš nezavisnost Kosova? Ti živiš u Srebrenici gdje su sad svi Srbi...i okolo vas su svi Srbi...i kako ti misliš da ćeš se ti obraniti? NEMOJ NA TO ODGOVORITI JER ME NE ZANIMA TVOJE MIŠLJENJE. ODJEBI OD MENE I AKO TI NE PAŠE ŠTA JA KAŽEM ONDA NE ODGOVARAJ!

_ADNAN_

Okfine why don't you make your own thread or exchange this messages between you, since this thread is for international zorpians speaking in ENGLISH !
One messages , 2 ok but here you are speaking only between you.

oK Care... hmm, pocinjem da sumljam da si iz Zapadne Bosne/Krajine... Hocu reci iz "Babinovije"... ok odakle si... Velike Kladuse, Male Kladuse, Sturlic-a... odakle si
Kad je rijec o Srebrenici... Srebrenica se vise nece braniti... zaboravljas, da Srebrenica se oslobadza... to su totalno dvije razlicite okolnosti...

hey Adnan, please is it too much to ask you not to insult ..
Can't you just share your thought in removing the insults..

no i can but when other people insult and attack my beliefs then that's how i respond and you know this topic would cause insults before you created it so why would you create it?

it was not for insults, but if someone attacks your beliefs don't you think is better to say it in English,
I do not tolerate those who insult, here I report the messages of insult, so should you and not fall in the same language as some others here, honestly. Even if we disagree.

no i speak Serbo-Croatian and if u can't understand well too bad!

You know I did not insult you, calling you crazy or stupid, people like you are needed because of you there we can understand who is stupid and who is not ;)
So far recognition of one country can me done through different ways, it can be a declaration of the Ministry of the foreign affairs of a state, or the PM it depends , it can be by replying officially (written).
So anyway :) let me clear you:
The countries that have known Kosova till yesterday ;)
1.USA
2.France
3.Albania
4.Ireland
5.Belgium
6.Italy
Islamic conference :) 57 states
The Islamic Countries
Afghanistan
Algeria
Cad
Egypt
Guinea
Indonesia
Iran
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Libya
Malaysia
Mali
Mauritania
Maroc
Nigeria
Pakistan
Palestine
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Sudan
Somalia
Tunisia
Turkey
Jemen
Bahreyn
Oman
Qatar
Syrian Arabic Republic
United Arab Emirates
Sierra Leone
Bangladesh
Gabon
Gambia
Guinea-Bissau
Uganda
Burkina Faso
Cameroon
Comoros
Iraq
Maldives
Tibuti
Benin
Brunei
Nigeria
Azerbaijan
Kirghistan
Tajikhistan
Turkmenistan
Zanzibar
Mozambique
Kazakhistan
Uzbekistan
Suriname
Togo
Guyana
Ivory Coast
The countries that have pronounced to recognize Kosova in the following days
Polonia
Bulgaria
Austria
Germany
Japan
Austria
Fyrom
Slovenia
Norway
Finland
Lithuania
Estonia
Letonia
Croatia
Hungary
Luxemburg
Sweden
Denmark

The states that are reserved on recognition
Greece
Holland
Portugal
Check Republic
Slovakia
Spain
and of course there is Russia, China, Serbia( till some day ;) Cyprus (they are not even a part of Eu continent :) they make me laugh!!

The OIC said they wish them good luck but said their members should choose by them selfs so you can stop claiming these countries!
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/186745,organization-of-the-islamic-conference-backs-kosovo-independence.html
of the OIC only Afghanistan,Albania,Turkey,
Senegal, Malaysia recognize Kosovo!
Azerbaijan,Kazakhstan & Kyryzstan do not recognize Kosovo!
***Some of those countries are reserved except****
Slovakia & Spain

PLEASE DO REASEARCH BEFORE YOU CLIAM COUNTRIES!!!!!

I already posted some sources :)
for those that are not blind :)

ok but why don't you post the source where it says that the whole OIC recognizes Kosovo.... all 57 states.... PLEASE FIND THIS SOURCE AND I WILL LEAVE THIS DISCUSSION!

So in other words no. I wanted to the one with 100 and it isn't much to post it to me rather than say trawl through this thread for it.

oh by the way Macedonia, Croatia, SLovenia have not decided anything! Please give some sources!!!!!!

Just saw the news , the Slovenian government took the decision to recognize Kosova :)
You will see it tomorrow probably in headlines ;)

If it is true it will be on the BBC news bar I have with google toolbar quite soon.

ok, i know i just saw that. But did you see that Venezuela said they won't recognise it? So now its tied! 16 yes and 16 no

NZ have said they won't as well.

yeah but they havn't made this official... (unless it just happened..)

To be fair it doesn't rally matter at all. The only recognition that mattes comes form the major countries. The US, UK, France, Germany etc who have all recognised it. Russia, Serbia and China haven't. I place Serbia on equal footing for this as Serbia is obviously heavily involved.

*edit double post*

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were you talking to Ofelia? because she care. She's having Albanianism!

yeah I was and I know not good really :\

If. And why didn't you talk to me on what is your actual account ofelia?

LMFAO!!!!


Are you being hypothetical again? I see you still jump to conclusions easily Varick. And you still throw around your false accusations in order to look interesting and get attention. Just stick to the facts. The facts in this case clearly state that... you don't know sh1t.

Oh yeah and what facts show this? Can you prove what you say? Oh no.

Sure I can, but that would give away a bit too much of my identity. The very fact that you're doing it here and now is enough proof. I'll point it out to you to make things a bit more easy.


fact : You claim that I am the same person as Ofelia.
- And why didn't you talk to me on what is your actual account ofelia? (your response to what I wrote earlier)
- This one. (your response to Ofelia)


People with a clear memory will remember how you have done this before to other users on Zorpia. Even the older administrators will be able to confirm this, because if I am not mistaken,.. complaints have been filed about this very behavior towards administrators.


The thing with you is that you always try to manipulate words so you think they end up looking like you are right. If you can't, then you will try to discredit, harass and annoy the person that has been able to point out that you weren't all that right. In this case that would be me because I questioned your definition of "hypothetical". I think scrolling up already shows what I am talking about.


Let's have a look at what you are doing right now; without ANY evidence you accuse Ofelia of having two or more accounts, mine being one of them. The only thing that has made you assume that, is your twisted little mind that has a way of distorting reality in such manners, that you start believing it yourself. So,.. you CLEARLY accuse someone of something without any evidence. And then you ask me if I can prove what I am saying. Actually, yes I can. But you're not worth that much of my effort and time,.. apart from that, enough people already know how and who you are.


But,.. since you started pointing fingers here and since YOU are the one that accused Ofelia of something,.. and since YOU are the one that seems to get off on proof and evidence,....... where is your evidence? Where is your proof? I mean, there must be proper motivation when you, the Smart Varick, is accusing someone of something. There must be evidence of this, right? Where is it. Please enlighten me. Show me the evidence,.. some proof. Anything. There is nothing,.. is there Varick? This was once again just something inside your head,.. your need to play detective and to point out things that aren't there. But please, amuse me, and show me how I am Ofelia. Can you? I think not, simply because,.. it isn't true.


Think about it Varick. This is how your mind works,... you convince yourself just because you think you are so damn right. You then translate that into words on the screen. Words you can't take back because people have seen them. And then when someone points out you were wrong, you start playing Sherlock. Convincing yourself even more, putting more words onto the screen,.. words you can't verify, words you can't proof. Just because you are once again wrong. Think before you speak/write. And learn to live with the fact that you are not an oracle. I would have thought that your previous experiences with matters like these would have shown you that it's better to think a bit more about what you are going to write, about what you are going to accuse people of. And that is clearly something where I have been very wrong; you have not learned from your past.


Now, show me evidence that I am indeed who you claim I am to be: Ofelia. And you don't have to start sending me private messages (yes, I know how your mind works Varick), and you don't have to start harassing me,... I already blocked you. But I guess, if you want to make a fool out of yourself, again, you can start playing Sherlock once more. But do realize that by doing so you will prove yourself to be wrong, assuming that you're any good at playing Sherlock. But we both know you have failed in that field before. So If you have no evidence at all,... let it rest and walk away,.. can you do that Varick? Maybe that is one thing you have learned... I doubt it though.


Anyway, unless you have anything new or interesting, and some evidence,.. I'll just let you be happy inside your home made little reality. And by new and interesting I do not mean the mud throwing or the nagging about whom I might be. (Yes, I really do know how your mind works.) And before you accuse anyone of anything else, please make sure you can enforce your words this time. Just because you THINK you know what is going on, doesn't mean it is reality. Be a good boy and do your homework, properly. I do have a feeling you might realize by now though that you were wrong again, and that in fact I am not Ofelia at all. Have a good day Varick.

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And indeed Varick does realize he was wrong once again. Scroll up (as I should have done before I wrote this) to see how he "admits" to Ofelia that he has been falsely accusing her. Something for which he doesn't apologize of course.
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"People with a clear memory will remember how you have done this before to other users on Zorpia"
Such as. Name one, just other person i have ever said that to? Go on name one. You can't do it because I never have.

"Even the older administrators will be able to confirm this, because if I am not mistaken,.. complaints have been filed about this very behavior towards administrators."
No you are mistaken. Go and get these admins to come and say this with the original reports then. Please do, it will be amusing to see you unable to do it.
"The thing with you is that you always try to manipulate words so you think they end up looking like you are right. If you can't, then you will try to discredit, harass and annoy the person that has been able to point out that you weren't all that right. In this case that would be me because I questioned your definition of "hypothetical". I think scrolling up already shows what I am talking about."
You said something to me, I answered. That is the way it works in case you haven't noticed. And as for discredit, to whom? I couldn't give a dam what other people who may be reading this think. So who else is there I would want to discredit you to? Or anyone else.

"Let's have a look at what you are doing right now; without ANY evidence you accuse Ofelia of having two or more accounts"
By your own logic then you have done the same silly action. So far in this response you have made claims of me of which you have no proof, and will be unable to support unless of course you go and get some E-friends to edit reports they made months ago in the ZRC. Which actually I wouldn't put past you.
Anyway nope I do have my evidence or I wouldn't of come to that conclusion. I have been on zorpia since November 2006. Never. Not once. Ever have I seen someone make an account to complain of anything that doesn't not affect himself directly. It seems quite strange that someone who is not Ofelia would go to the trouble of making a second account, and then post a forum for her on the same day she posted a forum which was evidently of a matter close to her, in which the forum ofelia posted is relinked. In addition you have the exact same writing style of her, and I mean exact. You could of at least changed your writing style. And now you say you do not wish to reveal your identity, oh shock horror I wonder why. Maybe, maybe just maybe I am wrong and you are not ofelia, but I am sure you can see why I think otherwise. Hey if you are her just give the account to someone else, just to prove me wrong if you like :D
"Actually, yes I can. But you're not worth that much of my effort and time,.. apart from that, enough people already know how and who you are."
lols is that an attempt at ridicule?
"Show me the evidence,.. some proof. Anything. There is nothing,.. is there Varick? This was once again just something inside your head,.. your need to play detective and to point out things that aren't there. But please, amuse me, and show me how I am Ofelia. Can you? I think not, simply because,.. it isn't true."
look above. Now I have given mine, where is yours for anything you say?
"Words you can't take back because people have seen them"
When do I ever? I would not say them if I wanted to take them back. Fool. Extremely rarely I edit a post in which case I acknowledge I have done so, and the vast majority of the time I do that is to correct a bad typo.
"Just because you are once again wrong."
Once again, tell me when I have been before and prove it.

"And learn to live with the fact that you are not an oracle"
perhaps after you do mystery man.

"you have not learned from your past."
Prove me wrong? Oh no. And even if you do, I do learn from my mistakes, one of the reasons why I make precious few :D
I must say that already from what I have read of your response, you have stated nothing but your own opinions of me. Got anything intelligent to say of me?
"And you don't have to start sending me private messages"
Don't do that mate. Never, I anwser PM's when they are sent to me, but never send them first. Or let me guess you have some magical conversation in which I stared by PM. Oh no you don't, what a surprise.
"But we both know you have failed in that field before"
When? Example case. Oh right there isn't one. You do realise by all these claims you make of me with none you can prove except for a slight possibility you are no ofleina, which is not the only claim you have made that I am wrong in. You are only making a fool of yourself. Or don't you?
"I do not mean the mud throwing or the nagging about whom I might be (Yes, I really do know how your mind works."
Really, wow I haven't nagged. I answer responses paragraph by paragraph and I haven't nagged. So nope you have understood nothing, well done.

"And indeed Varick does realize he was wrong once again. Scroll up (as I should have done before I wrote this) to see how he "admits" to Ofelia that he has been falsely accusing her. Something for which he doesn't apologize of course."
Nope, I thought you "know how my mind works". Quite frankly you know s**t.
And as for know anything of me, oh my no. I do however believe I know what type of person you are based upon this response. You are one of the majority of people on zorpia who states their opinion of other people as fact, well read your own writing again. An opinion of someone isn't a fact.

You still amuse me Varick. It's a shame your memory seems to be rather flawed. But, there is no need for me to prove anything here. As long as people know what you are really like,.. and you have shown that in this thread by yet making a complete fool out of yourself,.. with your little detective work on Ofelia, turning yourself into a complete ass again.


What I could show them would only be more of the same, it gets boring. If they really want to know they can always dive into the old threads. You're a complete waste of time and energy Varick. Not worth much of mine anyways.


I'll spend a bit more time on you little Varick. There's one thing that stood out from all the standard cry-baby actions you squirt onto the screen. I will quote you, and I will respond,... but only because I really think you should stop making these false accusations about Ofelia.



have been on zorpia since November 2006. Never. Not once. Ever have I seen someone make an account to complain of anything that doesn't not affect himself directly. It seems quite strange that someone who is not Ofelia would go to the trouble of making a second account, and then post a forum for her on the same day she posted a forum which was evidently of a matter close to her, in which the forum ofelia posted is relinked.


You keep talking about a second account. I only have this one account. And the whole reason why I signed up for Zorpia, was to bring this very thread back to the public, since so many unpleasant people had voted it down. At least you agree with me that the whole voting system is flawed. I don't even know Ofelia, well, now I do a bit of course. But before I signed up I had never seen her or heard about her. Why is it so hard for you to believe that some people are willing to do something for someone else, something which they think is needed, something which they think is "the right thing",... without expecting anything in return for it? Is that really so hard to believe? Does there really have to be more behind this?
Maybe, maybe just maybe I am wrong and you are not ofelia, but I am sure you can see why I think otherwise.


Yes,.. I do see why you think otherwise. It is very very clear. You have given the answer to that in the very sentence I just quoted. You simply have problems with accepting that you might be wrong,.. you are so full of yourself Varick. Lose that attitude,.. for your own sake. And stop the lies,... we both know you have (for example) sent at least two people messages without them wanting it. I know this for a fact, because I was one of them, you dumbass. For now I'll let you do your little cry baby act. It's always amusing to see a little boy getting trapped inside his own lies.


This thread was supposed to be a happy one, at least for some people. You found another opportunity to throw your bullsh1t on someone's doorstep again. If you were really such a great guy, say sorry to her. That's hard, isn't it? Saying sorry. Have a good day Varick, I hope you won't mind me ignoring your lies and twisted words in this thread,.. :)

"As long as people know what you are really like,.. "
So it is you who cares about hat other people read, didn't you say that was me?

"You keep talking about a second account. I only have this one account. And the whole reason why I signed up for Zorpia, was to bring this very thread back to the public, since so many unpleasant people had voted it down"
really so someone not on zorpia is familiar with how the voting system works. Signed up to this just because of a down voted thread(if true get out more) and knows my real name. hummm. You then also speak about older threads, unless you are an extremely sad person to of trawled though them to essentially E-stalk me, you must have or have had pother accounts.
"Why is it so hard for you to believe that some people are willing to do something for someone else"
Prove me wrong and I hall admit it. Otherwise it is only your word against mine. I said in my last response I may be wrong, If I am that's life. if I'm not that's life as well.
"Yes,.. I do see why you think otherwise. It is very very clear. You have given the answer to that in the very sentence I just quoted. You simply have problems with accepting that you might be wrong"
Not particular, look above. Come on you know how "my mind works" apparently.
"you are so full of yourself Varick. Lose that attitude"
That you are saying this to me would be as though Hitler telling someone not to hate a Jew.
"And stop the lies,... we both know you have (for example) sent at least two people messages without them wanting it."
What he f*c* are you on about, seriously what messages are these? Post them as a screen shot, go on do it. Post screen shots of this.
you are a silly little 50 year old virgin who still lives with her elderly mother and whacks off all night listening to teen pop. Yeah, i can make totally unfounded claims we well, that one has as much supporting evidence as your claims of me.
Unless you are the person who called Soul I think the name was i have never sent any PM. and I do believe if you are soul you messaged m first, I will check that after I have done this.
"It's always amusing to see a little boy getting trapped inside his own lies. "
Prove it, oh you can't do it you fool. I must say, even considering some people on zorpia, your intelligence and sense is outstandingly low.
I have never said I am such a great guy. And nope I shall no apologize for my opinions. if you are such the nice and great person as you seem to think of yourself, you apologize for the factual claims you make against me with no fact.
Nah I don't mind that because the chances are quite high they are words that someone such as yourself can't understand.
And If I have sent you private messages before, that means you must of been on zorpia before. That means you likely get banned. Banned people get banned again. Or what did you self delete, but couldn't stay away from the computer screen?

Little Varick goes ballistic. Scroll up, read my previous post.. all the answers you need are in there. I'm not going to repeat myself over and over again because you can't put one and one together. Have fun.

I have asked things in my last response fool that I had not asked before, so how could you have already answered them? For example, what private messages are these, come on do remind me. I still have all conversations in my inbox as there is no point in deleting them, so we can compare conversations :D Oh no wait we can't because you are speaking of none existent conversations as we both very well know. What you gonna do now send me a PM with swearing and crying. We both know this is only you in a pathetic and futile attempt to have face for anyone who may be reading this. You can't prove anything you say of me, because none of it is true. If it was you could do so quite easily, but you can't. One cannot prove that which is not true after all.
You know, maybe people ho you evidently care about who may be reading this would have a little respect for you if you admitted your wrong. If I am I admit, if your not ofelia fine great and good I was wrong. But that doesn't mean you are right in everything else you say of me. And it doesn't mean you can prove anything, a lack of proof is in itself a sign of false claims and accusations.
I do hope you learn how to debate and then if it is possible with what must be the well, uniquely(to say it nicely) challenged mind of yours. We can then intelligently debate a subject.