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5/7/2008 7:54 PM Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BEWARE! (91Comments)

fbolainez

Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BEWARE!



This is the root of all kill people!
basically war=MULAH
so there you have it eisenhower warn us and now
look at the blood thirsty warmongers of politicians that
sit in the white house *BUSH and many other fucking lobbyist*! toodles!

5/7/2008 8:32 PMRe: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BEWARE!

philcovers

Chris ...... Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian 68, Scarborough, United Kingdom
And of course future governments did not heed his warnings, ESPECIALLY Bush & His lot, who are actually PART of that military build up.
*SAD*
Love & peace to all

5/7/2008 11:05 PMRe: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BEWARE!

sonicagain

ΞŠΘŇłČ Royal Zorpian  24, Eat right, exercise daily, live clean, die anyway ^_^, South Georgia And The South Sandwich Islands
vote Obama

5/18/2008 5:33 AMRe: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BEWARE!

messyNESS

ness Royal Zorpian  22, neSS worLd, Malaysia
:S.....

5/7/2008 9:48 PMRe: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BEWARE!

VoteMcCain

Varick 18, Birmingham, United Kingdom
haha Eisenhower, the former supreme allied commander in Europe.
The man was a complete idiot as President as well. A traitor. And I do love the way people say things such as this; be funny to see how tunes changed if America went bankrupt.

5/7/2008 10:14 PMRe: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BEWARE

schadenfreude9

كافرEmil 23, Guayaquil, Ecuador
Ike a traitor? You should be hanged for heresy.

5/7/2008 10:18 PMRe: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BE

VoteMcCain

Varick 18, Birmingham, United Kingdom
No thanks. I'm atheist, as you know :)

5/9/2008 3:03 PMRe: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BEWARE

philcovers

Chris ...... Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian 68, Scarborough, United Kingdom
What EARTH makes you say Eisenhower was a traitor & Idiot?
Saying things like that is bound to upset millions of Usa Citizens, who see him as a hero.
I hope you have something to back your assumptions up. I know you always have something, But this one amazes me coming from you.
IF USA went bankrupt! ? It did that in the 1920s and is now!
*smiles*

5/9/2008 3:17 PMRe: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BE

VoteMcCain

Varick 18, Birmingham, United Kingdom
"Saying things like that is bound to upset millions of Usa Citizens, who see him as a hero."
LOLS! No offense mate but look what you say about the current American government, which nearly 60 million people voted in. And it particularly favoured down south. And I don't think I recall you saying something similar to the muslims who say kill Americans and all related bull s*it.
Anyway, why? It was he who withheld funding for Britain during the Suez crisis that politically cost the Britain the Suez canal. Worldwide humiliated Britain(who had until the time been classed as a superpower-got relegated the major power afterwards) and especially in muslim states. Who then saw Nasser as a hero, which helped spark of the future war with Israel.
But mainly, it pisses me off he didn't give us the funds to keep our own built and owned assets-the canal. Even though we had caught like 98% of it or something like that.
And then that humiliation was further compounded by the retard Khruschev who got himself credited for the British withdrawal by saying he threatened to use nukes against the UK. Despite that the UK had nukes of its own back then and could of retalliated. And that the USSR's nukes were pathetic and unusable at the time. But good old Ike preferred to allow Khrushchev that glory than admit it was his own fault America's closest ally lost its own asset.
Though at least he named it as his biggest political mistake as President not long before death. To late then though.
"IF USA went bankrupt! ? It did that in the 1920s and is now!"
Yes, exactly my point. That if the US was to go bankrupt again, be funny to see how many liberal pacifist communist changed their tunes over the iraq war...if they didn't have any electric for the fridge with no food in.

5/9/2008 3:59 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it.

fbolainez

the amorist 22, Houston, Texas, United States
you know whatever the hatred you might have against the usa is your deal and im not going to be a hypocrite about it because i have the same feeling for my country but its not funny to see any country with the necesities to survive off...its s*it like this that is making the world on hella of a place to live...you sound like a damn lobbyist boy.

5/9/2008 4:43 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about

VoteMcCain

Varick 18, Birmingham, United Kingdom
ME HATE THE USA :| :| :|
You obviously have not seen me a lot of the forums. I am by far the greatest support of America on this site who isn't American. And come to think of it, I am more pro America than most Americans. It wasn't that long ago I hate the American flag as my DP and the username "McCainForPres".
"you sound like a damn lobbyist boy."
Well that is the first time I've been called that. First time for everything. Perhaps you should actually see what i say before you go around saying stuff that anyone else who reads what you said is going to fall out of their chair laughing at. For example; how many lobbyists are extremely pro war on iran? pro Israel? Pro war on terror? Pro George Bush? I could go on forever how untrue that is.

5/9/2008 4:50 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn a

fbolainez

the amorist 22, Houston, Texas, United States
lol! okay sure thing!
im having a spiffy day today so i wont mind the comments lol!
you should have one tooo!
baaaaaaaaaaaahahahhahahahhahahahahah

5/9/2008 4:46 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about

VoteMcCain

Varick 18, Birmingham, United Kingdom
"not funny to see any country with the necesities to survive off"
Oh and if you actually read what I said correctly(that your above quote is in answer to) you could of seen known what I conveyed was a pro war in iraq sentiment. Hardly a lobbyist.
I was referring to how many liberal pacifist in American would change their tune if they didn't have all they need to live.

5/18/2008 5:31 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it.

ChristiRose

Phlirt~ Perv Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian 34, PervCity ~ Sweet, but not innocent!, Indiana, United States
the reason we are in a recession right now is this stupid war and the stupid crap the Bush administration has done... why on Earth would any liberal pacifists change their tunes?

5/18/2008 12:19 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about

VoteMcCain

Varick 18, Birmingham, United Kingdom
No it isn't, the sub prime market is house lending from banks. Nothing to do with iraq Christi.

5/18/2008 5:38 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn a

ChristiRose

Phlirt~ Perv Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian 34, PervCity ~ Sweet, but not innocent!, Indiana, United States
the lending issue just happened recently... this recession has been going on since years before that, progressively getting worse. Even when the housing market was doing well, house prices were going up, making them unaffordable to the biggest share of Americans... same with gas prices, food prices etc... those have NOTHING to do with lending from banks, yet affect ALL of us, the middle class and poorer people especially. THe cost of living has risen dramatically, but wages have not (unless you were already rich to begin with!)

I live here Varick... I'm right here IN it... trust me, I know what is hurting the wallets of my friends and family

5/18/2008 6:08 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! lea

VoteMcCain

Varick 18, Birmingham, United Kingdom
Yep you are right. But it is the lending issues is BY FAR the biggest issue as you must well know.
An actually the rising cost of living is related to banks, because they are such a critical part of the economy. Take the UK for example, or Switzerland. Known baking economies of rich countries.
And Lichtenstein come to think of it.

5/18/2008 6:26 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex!

ChristiRose

Phlirt~ Perv Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian 34, PervCity ~ Sweet, but not innocent!, Indiana, United States
by rising cost of living, I meant that it now takes $56 a week for gas, when just a few years ago it only took $28... it now costs $1.50 for a dozen eggs that were only 89 cents then... etc, etc. I have NO idea how much bell peppers used to cost, but right now they are about $2-3 EACH!!

compare that with the only 12 cents per hour increase in salary I've gotten, and you see the predicament loads of people are in... NONE of which has any bearing on the housing market or loans

sure you can blame the housing market for specific people's bankruptcies, AND for the fact that it's now harder than before to get a loan to buy a house (which it should have been in the first place)... but for the average middle class to poor person who rented not owned anyway, that made no difference whatsoever.

there has also been rising costs of health care, with LESS help for those without insurance, or whose insurance doesn't cover much. I have health insurance, but it doesn't cover prescriptions at all, so if I get a sinus infection or bronchitis, I have to come up with the money for those meds out of pocket, plus I have several meds I have to take daily because of my allergies and such... medicine costs can easily total a couple of hundred dollars a month even for people WITH health insurance, PLUS most of them have to pay a "co-payment" or other fee for their doctor visits.

much of the charity money that used to be spent helping people out of those situations has had to be directed towards Iraqi war veterans who have come home injured and have lost their ability to earn income to pay for their homes, their families, etc, plus need medical care and equipment... plus TONS of money goes towards shipping supplies off to our soldiers because they aren't being supplied by the government. There was one local group that raised money to supply bullet proof vests to the soldiers because the government was sending them out there without them!

Schools are getting less funding, and thanks to that and the No Child Left Behind crap, they're turning out MORE kids that aren't prepared to be productive members of society!

5/18/2008 6:42 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Comp

VoteMcCain

Varick 18, Birmingham, United Kingdom
You can't blame the government entirely for that. Oil is running out, KSA won't increase production and many other factors all did that Christi.
Ah actually, is there even much point to this conversation? I've read the rest of what you've said, is there much point?

5/18/2008 6:47 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial

ChristiRose

Phlirt~ Perv Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian 34, PervCity ~ Sweet, but not innocent!, Indiana, United States
we HAVE oil Varick, they just won't release it, plus we have other places of our own that could be drilled. There also is technology available to increase gas mileage by a HUGE margin, but Bush's family and friends who are invested up to their eyeballs in oil would LOSE money from that, so it won't happen

hmmm... you never seem to want to talk to me :/

5/18/2008 7:32 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industr

VoteMcCain

Varick 18, Birmingham, United Kingdom
That is because you say things like that. You are intelligent, but seem to fail to realise(using this as an example);
Having oil is not that simple, not by any mans.
Exactly, America has oil, so why invade iraq for it as I remember you saying.
and meh there is more but I am arguing with someone on msn.
I may get back to you.

5/19/2008 12:07 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Ind

ChristiRose

Phlirt~ Perv Royal Zorpian Verified Zorpian 34, PervCity ~ Sweet, but not innocent!, Indiana, United States
lol I know it's not that simple... but it's simpler (and cheaper) than killing & wounding thousands of American soldiers, people trying to defend themselves, and innocent bystanders

5/9/2008 4:00 PMRe: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BEWARE

keithbalzer

Keith 30, Saint Louis, Missouri, United States
"America" should no go bankrupt. As Bush seeks to give away parks, just the thought of doing so should lead to the redistribution of bases, airports, and other federal properties that are under control of his elites.
Whatever base has the belief that I am a Dead Man Walking as the most dominant policy should be given away to The Human Development Project and renamed Fort Dead Man Walking.

PTOOOOOAH!!!!!!!

5/9/2008 4:03 PMRe: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BE

fbolainez

the amorist 22, Houston, Texas, United States
?

5/17/2008 9:11 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it.

1vote1count

Vote 107, Antarctica
If you drink enough beer it will make sense. Or at least it looks funny then.

5/17/2008 9:15 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about

fbolainez

the amorist 22, Houston, Texas, United States
hey what's up vote!

5/17/2008 9:20 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn a

1vote1count

Vote 107, Antarctica
It's a Saturday night (over here anyways) and I am bored lol. Me and my friend "Mr. Beer" are just peeking through the forums, and it's like I didn't miss a thing the past week.

How are you doing ma'am?

5/17/2008 9:30 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! lea

fbolainez

the amorist 22, Houston, Texas, United States
NOTHING MUCH just YOU TUBING WATCHING OLD EPISODES OF DARIA that was my fave show when mtv was pretty descent. Im also stuck at work bored but i will be out at 9pm....yeah you didn't miss much on the forums same ol' stuff! lol!

5/17/2008 9:34 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex!

1vote1count

Vote 107, Antarctica
No work for me this weekend, I decided I needed "relaxing time". So far it's been too much relaxing lol.

5/17/2008 9:42 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Comp

fbolainez

the amorist 22, Houston, Texas, United States
well thats spanking great well its gonna be a while before i get to that point in my life lol! so what did you eat today?

5/17/2008 10:01 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial

1vote1count

Vote 107, Antarctica
I ate two pizzas. Not feeling too great about it right now :S

5/17/2008 10:17 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industr

fbolainez

the amorist 22, Houston, Texas, United States
ohhhhhhh were they peporoni? supreme? meat lovers? cheesy crust? thin crust? yummie pizza i could go for a slice or 2!

5/17/2008 10:19 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Ind

1vote1count

Vote 107, Antarctica
They're called Hot & Spicy, have loads of peppers on them. I love Domino's :D

There's one pizza left, it's in the fridge, so go for it.

5/17/2008 10:38 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military

fbolainez

the amorist 22, Houston, Texas, United States
OHHHHHHHHHH YUMMIE I DONT DO SPICY STUFF.....I LOVE D's too!

5/17/2008 10:58 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mili

1vote1count

Vote 107, Antarctica
It's what I order mostly from them. And then they have the one called Extravaganzza, which has olives, cheese, peppers, mushrooms, onions, salami and more stuff I can't identify. That's the one in the fridge.

5/17/2008 11:02 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

fbolainez

the amorist 22, Houston, Texas, United States
oh nooooooooooooooo! i can do supreme and peporoni and maybe the meat lovers but i doubt and the cheesy crust yummie but not this EXTRAVAGANZZA! you want to give me diarrehea or what?

5/17/2008 11:04 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

1vote1count

Vote 107, Antarctica
I don't think they put that on it, but I wouldn't be surprised. Still looks yummy to me though lol. I'll order you something else then :P

5/17/2008 11:41 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

fbolainez

the amorist 22, Houston, Texas, United States
YAY!

5/7/2008 10:24 PMRe: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BEWARE!

ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
I already know about them, there the ones who actually control the US & isreal & alot of other things Ud be suprised really at how much power they have

ever wondered who killed Kennedy??? lol

5/8/2008 2:31 PMRe: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BEWARE

schadenfreude9

كافرEmil 23, Guayaquil, Ecuador
When I read comments like this it seems that some people tend to believe that the MIC is an actual organization with a permanent leadership and agenda, when in reality is none of this.
The Military Industrial Complex is a term that political theorists often use to describe the union of the civil government, military and military contractors in the pursue of a single objective, be it national security, counter-terrorism, backing a certain country/organization, etc.

It was the main character in the Western side of the Cold War. Ike was warning about the possible danger these institutions could represent if their interests violate the freedoms of the citizenry, which is a very real threat. But the idea that there's a mass secret organization out there orchestrating the most mischievous plans and pulling the strings of the main international governments is something very likely to be distant from the truth, I'm afraid.

5/8/2008 11:19 PMRe: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it...BE

ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
What U failed to realise is that Eisenhower found that they had actually gained alot of power, towards the end of His Term in office he realised this.
if U actually did some reasearch into it U would find out alot, Im afraid its U thats far from the truth
They keep alot from us u know like the existence of Alien Life & other things to do with that like Technologies that would take us off the use of Oil & Gas etc but again Oil is Profit is`nt it lol which is why they dont release all this to us
if the government said Aliens where real, the ones who dont believe that we have been visited & still do get visited would actually believe lol

5/9/2008 3:39 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about it.

schadenfreude9

كافرEmil 23, Guayaquil, Ecuador
Hey, you said a post back that they were the ones that killed President Kennedy, right? Why didn't they kill President Eisenhower who openly denounced them? Maybe they really aren't a 'they'. Ike knew the MIC because he helped create this union, he's warning about it getting out of hand, go look for his full quote and read it again.

I've looked very much into political and military issues and the more I look into them the more I find different clashing sides and interests groups all wanting to outdo each other, so it rules out the idea that there's this overseeing organization that pulls the strings of global affairs, and if there is such organization I doubt it really gets its way through with the much obstacles that it meets.

Oh, and I firmly believe that there's life in other planets. What I do find extremely hard to believe is that they travel light years to come to Earth for the sole purpose of probing the anuses of random drunkards.

5/9/2008 1:03 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn about

ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
He knew it already had got out of hand! & he was warning us about it but we never took no notice really which is just like us really,
I would`nt call it an Organisation, id call it the perminent government!, it really does exist, they try so hard to keep themselves from the Public, they control the media so its easy for them to do it,
lol then ya really are deluded!, who says there just probing people, they could be here doing other things, why do U simply assume there here to probe us?,
they really do visit us(not just 1 single species but quite alot) & the perminent government knows about it
look into the cases ya self instead of simply brushing them off!
1 big example, 1 highly credible case was the one where the brasilian army caught 2 Alien creatures!, over 80 witnesses to this & 1 of the military policemen that grabbed the second creature died 25 or so days later cause his immune system completely collapsed from foreign bacterial attack, this case happened in the late 90`s
Highly credible ex Military & government Official`s who above top secret clearance have come out with the Alien thing that the US government knows about them & has contact with certainly 1 species
I Mean do Ya believe all the media tells ya lol anything of significant importance to the ones in real power wont be told to us

5/9/2008 2:39 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! learn a

schadenfreude9

كافرEmil 23, Guayaquil, Ecuador
That's one of the main problems with this age of information, sure you can find everything on the Internet, but you can also find anything, and amongst that a bunch of stuff that really isn't so.
You've done your homework, congratulations but the point I'm getting at is that what you've read and what conclusion you've got from it. I've looked into these UFO sites and found their information rather obtuse, mainly because they don't cite anyone but themselves; I have a distrust for random sites that write a bunch of stuff and just expect me to take their word from them.

That's why I prefer to rely on analysis of situations like I did on my previous posts and on actual facts, like the fact that the rise of high resolution cameras available to the general public is tantamount to the decrease of "alien" sightings

5/10/2008 12:12 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex! lea

ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
I dont really go on UFO websites except maybe Dr steven Greer, he`s credible & so are his witnesses! so i dont know what UFO sites Uve been on lol, U should go on ones that have evidence to back there cases up
The fact is alot can be explained but some cant!,
Nasa has lots of footage of UFO`s, to U or maybe someone who`s a skeptic ya call it space junk etc but they do show intelligent odjects moving in ways a a meteor would`nt say
Astronauts if they was`nt sworn to Secrecy by Nasa or the ones who run it they would lift the lid on this subject
the case i told ya off is not some looney made up thing, its a credible UFO case!, over 80 witnesses unless ya callling them all deluded
High resolution yep but that still cant explain the UFO cases that are unexplainable in that we dont know what they are or the fact that we just cant accept that there intelligently controlled Objects ie Aliens

5/12/2008 1:37 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Complex!

schadenfreude9

كافرEmil 23, Guayaquil, Ecuador
James Randi on Steven Greer

"High resolution yep but that still cant explain the UFO cases that are unexplainable"

This is a logical fallacy that most UFO enthusiast love to indulge, that because there's not an immediate explanation for a certain phenomena then it can only be answered with what they think or would like to think is the answer.

Most UFO sightings have been later proved to be either, weather ballons, lights, meteors, aircraft and/or the product of poor quality photographs and sometimes ever forgeries. But Ufologists have never presented any concurring evidence other than their very own testimony, but never physical evidence or a recurring identical experience.
"Astronauts if they was`nt sworn to Secrecy by Nasa or the ones who run it they would lift the lid on this subject

Does this also include other NASA personnel and the several hundred people that work for private satellite contractors?

5/12/2008 9:35 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial Comp

ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
James randi is a moron!. ok we have ex miliatry & government people with above high level clearance) right telling us all about this yet U & people like james randi dont accept it Lmao what stupidity (no offence), U have ex pilots!, U have Aerospace Engineer`s who have worked for companies that are intertwined with the US government, U have ex military officer`s too
Sooo a weather balloon can do unbelievable turns etc at super high speed`s can they lol?,
when there`s an object that does turns at really high speeds that aircraft cant do so what ya call that a meteorite lol
Ya want a UFO case to look into, the one with over 80 witnesses to it, the brasilian roswell so to speak, look into it!!!!!!! instead of brushing it off also there`s the shag harbour one that happened in canada
the Pheonix lights incident, thats a well known one, the military said they was flairs Lmao & they was`nt,
all nasa employee`s are sworn to Secrecy when it comes to UFO`s ya know why cause UFO`s are the most top secret thing within the Government, ya really should look into that & open ur eyes lol
Seti`s is under the control of the US government, U just dont see it, they`ve already detected some signal`s that where from Intelligent life they just have`nt told us about it & they never will but only if it was in the interest of the ones who are in real control
people that look into UFO`S do actually show ya a ton of evidence, video evidence, there`s somne really good clear footage of UFO`s, Nasa have a ton of footage too(most ufo cases are explained but about 10% of them are not) ya just dont accept it cause what ya want is for an alien craft to land at the whitehouse & say hi to the world etc lol

Also that report or if ya want to call it that is more like a movie critic critising a movie thats just come out Lmao, its just pathetic really, all he`s doing is just trying to deflect the attension from the Credible ex military & ex government employee`s, thats all he`s doing, if people actually take notice of what james randi said there then ya just really utterly small minded, btw the roswell was never ever explained, randi said that it was but it actually was`nt, if ya mean project blue book then that was just a public relations stunt!!!!!!!!!

5/13/2008 4:19 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industrial

schadenfreude9

كافرEmil 23, Guayaquil, Ecuador
It's funny that you describe the event as the "Brazilian Roswell", given that the Roswell UFO incident has been proven to be a complete misunderstanding and screwing of the facts (Link).

It’s funny that you attempt to brush of James Randi by calling him an idiot when he’s in fact a notorious investigator in the fields of the paranormal and ufology.

It’s also funny how you’re starting to use the same arguments that Holocaust deniers, 9/11 deniers and other conspiracy goof balls tend to use:

Appeal to authority: A title or degree is important, but to the extent that only through the knowledge and expertise of the authority in question we can be certain that the event is true. A lot of cases are heard of pilots claiming to see ‘strange unidentified objects’ whilst flying, but their statement is not more relevant than that of a random individual given that in the end it is matter of eyesight, not of flying maneuvers. Likewise, a former military officer claiming that he believes in UFOs and UFO-related conspiracies is no different as anyone else saying it if he can’t present the documentation or physical evidence to back up his claims.

Argument from incredulity: I’m always baffled by the fact that people are so certain when they claim that they have positively identify an UFO when it is (by etymology) an unidentified object. I point this out because the only reason people have to believe that X or Y object that they saw from afar is an alien spacecraft is the fact that at the moment it can’t proven that it isn’t.
So that 80 something people saw something that the couldn’t identify as earthly or ordinary at the time doesn’t immediately make it an Alien Ship by elimination, mainly because the conclusion that it was an Alien Ship was made by someone else who chose to interpret it that way.

Argument of a massive cover-up: The idea that hundreds of NASA personnel active today are covering up the existence of Human-UFO relations is dubious at best, given that logic and experience tells us that the more people involved in a conspiracy, the easier and faster that it leaks. Let alone those who have serviced NASA in the past, space agencies in Europe and Asia, past and present government officials of every single country with a space program and several private contractors across the world. That’s not just far-fetched, it’s impossible.

5/13/2008 11:17 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Military Industr

ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
that article by James randi was a joke at best!, if ya could`nt see that fact that his was trying to make the Subject of UFO`s a laughing matter then your really stupid, its the main way on how people like that ridicule UFO sighting`s & things like etc,!
granted not all sightings are of intelligently controlled crafts that do amazing things(things that aircraft cant do) but some are credible sightings & if ya dismiss that they ya like an ostrich lol head in the ground
so Ur saying that Pilots are`nt seeing what they claim to see?, U have just showed me how narrow & close minded u are lol, Pilots know about diff aircraft`s & atmospheric things, when they are sure as hell that they`ve seen objects that glow & that do intelligent manouvers then they are real, Ur discrediting pilots Lmao, Ur really clutching at straws here,
again discrediting former military officer`s, these guys had the most top level clearance etc, they`ve worked in secret projects & im so sure that steven greer would actually check out there backgrounds before hand after all he has worked on the Disclosure thing for quite a while, im sure these military guys would have a good go at U for claiming there frauds lol.
Ya have`nt actually looked in to the brasilian roswell have ya?, was`nt actually to do with craft(the focus is on the 2 creatures that where captured) or anything like that, look into things before ya brush a highly credible case off!, u really are clutching at straws here
The Belguim airforce chased a huge triangle shaped UFO i think 1989,
not so long ago 2 i think F16 chased a Flying saucer shaped craft in Washington, they could`nt get close to it cause it was just too fast for them,
the South african Airforce shot down a saucer shaped craft in the late 80`s,
during i think it was a airshow by the mexican Airforce, they got credible footage of unknown craft, the mexican`s even came out with this cause they had no clue as to what they was
the UK had a credible UFO incident in 82 i think & as i mentioned the shag harbour one too, again look into these, there really credible cases but U wont cause U dismiss the Subject of UFO`s as a joke basically..there`s more credible UFO cases too, in 1942 one got shot down over LA, they fired i think 1500 Anti aircraft rounds at this thing in the Sky, in truth they did`nt know what they was shooting at, it certainly was`nt planes.!
& When i refer the the Term UFO`s i mean these are intelligently controlled crafts that can do amazing speeds! and manouvers & do other amazing things
& Nasa does`nt actually tell ya everything ya know, its not so far fetched to see, there all sworn to secrecy when it comes to the UFO matter, its not a conspiracy lmao, they dont tell u everything
even U should know this the UFO subject is the most top secret thing in the US government
i dont do conspiracy`s, i only look at credible UFO cases & nasa too who have covered things up

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schadenfreude9

كافرEmil 23, Guayaquil, Ecuador
See, you're doing it again: ad hominem, appeal to authority and argument from incredulity over again.
A pilot reporting to have seen a strange object that he/she couldn't identify and someone else using it as evidence of UFO sighting is tantamount to a sailor seeing a strange form in the deep waters and someone else using it as testimony of the Loch Ness monster. I'm not disputing the pilots, I'm disputing those who drew the conclusion from a premise they already believed in thus not meeting a scientific quota. That's why ufology is regarded as a pseudoscience because it doesn't follow an actual scientific inquiry.

The same goes for former military officials claiming to believe in UFOs but lack of documentation of secret government plans and whatnot. If you're just out to take people's word for everything, you're being awfully close minded, I'm afraid.

I'm also beginning to wonder how would it make sense that an alleged advanced aircraft can be shot down by lesser earthly planes. Talk about clutching at straws.

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ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
appeal to authority?, if ya mean things like the US government or nasa or the US airforce etc then ur really clutching at straws lmao cause they wont ever tell us
Ok so a pilot see`s a glowing orb or craft & it hover`s around there plane etc i think thats an intelligently controlled UFO dont ya think, an object that flies & does`nt make a single sound etc

that does`nt make sense really when the guys who do the research & interviews with actually pilots or pilot & or maybe air traffic controller`s, they look into them to actually find out what they are, they dont simply assume its a flying fuckin saucer lol>**I'm disputing those who drew the conclusion from a premise they already believed**
these military officer`s have worked within these projects etc, they`ve been there, they been in the military at the top, Steven greer`s witnesses are credible, i wonder why ya cant accept it & he would`nt just have guys come out with this kind off stuff without actually checking there background, the former canadian defence minister in i think served from 63-65 or something he`s credible or ya saying he`s deluded, is that not credible enough for ya, being a former canadian defence minister
i dont take peoples words for everything thats why i have looked ino the the Brasilian roswell(especially that one) etc the Shag harbour incident etc, look into these things for ya self go on! instead of brushing them off
i have mentioned some credible cases look into them but ur not going to or are ya
i would`nt call it an advacned aircraft Lmao when they dont have wings or a tail, its actually feesable, us shooting down a flying saucer is very very real, its been done
ur the one who`s really clutching at straws when ya have`nt even looked at the some of Major credible cases that ive mentioned!

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schadenfreude9

كافرEmil 23, Guayaquil, Ecuador
Heh, "credible" cases. How often does one hear that word being pulled about by those more faithful types of conspiraroids. Frankly, there's been as much "credible" sightings of UFO's as there has been of the Virgin Mary or even Santa Claus, all of which are false, and many of the people that support these cases have been proved to be dupes and frauds.

And like I said (in case you don't bother reading), I'm not disputing the people that make these claims but rather what the cons (read: ufologists) make out of them.

Sure any man that has served in any sort of government intelligence will tell you that there was research conducted on the UFO question - in fact there are several unclassified documents anyone can look at - but much like other endeavors such as the research or mind control and psychokinesis they were all eventually dismissed for being utterly false and a waste of money. Not that you would accept that fact.

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ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
in case i dont bother reading what are you on about,i did read what you said dont piss me off, im already in a mood with someone!. its you that does`nt read!, ive clearly told you credible cases of UFO incidents the brasilian roswell & the belgium Airforce chasing them & also getting it on radar, all you have to do is just look into them but you clearly dont, the head of the dam belgium airforce in the early 90`s talked about this, he did`nt have a clue what they chased!, just use your brain and look into them, there are credible cases contary to what you think and know
im gonna put it in big words for u!

LOOK INTO THEM, THE CASES THAT IVE TOLD YOU!

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schadenfreude9

كافرEmil 23, Guayaquil, Ecuador
I have, and I already gave you my answer to your "credible" cases. It's not my problem that you won't accept it.

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ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
No you have`nt you liar!, you know why i called you a liar cause that case is very credible and anybody with a Neutral opinion would see it as credible if they actually looked into it(it was no aircraft, it was no atmospheric thing. it was an intelligently controlled Craft)so you looked into the belgium airforce ufo incident(is that not credible enough for u the belgium airforce?),fully credible, they have it on radar and everything seems it is`nt is it

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schadenfreude9

كافرEmil 23, Guayaquil, Ecuador
You think it is credible because you already accept as fact that not only UFOs exist but they have some "involvement" with the Federal Government, how does that in any sense represent a "neutral" standpoint? You had your conclusion made before looking at the evidence. I do the opposite

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ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
when the head of the belgium airforce or the mexican airforce itself have an incident that is recorded & caught on radar or video involving craft (that do incredible manouveres etc) that are not planes then its deemed as credible & therefore its called a UFO or an unknown intelligently controlled UFO
i actually know UFO`s are real due to credible cases like the belgium Airforce one in the early 90`s so u said **You had your conclusion made before looking at the evidence**. so ya are definetly wrong saying that
ur such an idiot lol

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pussymiezi

phigjam 19, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Yeh you tell him girl! what an idiot! how stupid would anyone have to be not to know about the super intelligent ETs in their UFOs controlling our governments?

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ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
he`s such an idiot lol. i hope an Alien race abducts his sorry ass & subjects him to painful medical experiments Lmao on a serious note i would`nt dismiss that idea of someone controlling the major governments but ya can rule out mexico & belgium for sure. they already admit to UFO`s existing

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pussymiezi

phigjam 19, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
TOTALLY!

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ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
:) im still hoping for the abduction Lmao i imagine they`d be totally offended by what he thinks on this subject * some sort of small medical device shoved in his ass lol that would wake him up

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pussymiezi

phigjam 19, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
yeah next thing you know he's probably gona start claiming that they actually DID land on the moon - when we all know that was a set up! and he probably thinks the da vinci code is fiction! what a dumbarse!

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ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
yeh i saw that one lol its a bit hard to believe when one of the photographs has a rock in it that has the letter C on it. i dont know if they did or not?.
they might of landed on the moon i think they did but the whole televised thing of armstrong stepping onto the moon`s surface might just be a ratings scoop or something. i dont think that actually took place on the moon myself
ive seen that movie :-) ya cant simply dismiss the fact that it may be true

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pussymiezi

phigjam 19, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
wow, the world sure is lucky it has people like us who are clever enough to tell fact from fiction! a friend of a friend of mine was in the outback a while back and he saw a UFO. thats where one of the US military bases are in the middle of the australian desert, cos its so secluded and they can communicate with the aliens there.

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ZutonGoddess

JoJo 19, Texas, United States
yeh i guess it does need ones like us
well its a good area for it. they dont expect no one to see do they(ive been to OZ before but brisbane & perth) & ive seen ufo`s before although i call them craft cause there intelligently controlled
ya should look into things. there`s quite a bit going on that where not suppose to know about.
ive seen footage of an actual alien lol. it was`nt hoaxed or anything if it was i really dont know how they could of got radiation into the space where this Alien was. it was behind a telehpone post or something
the radiation levels where this thing was was higher than that of the Chernobol Disaster & it was`nt even affecting the ground around it or the plants. this was in mexico too. if ya want to see it, its on youtube
if thats a hoax then it has to be the best hoax ever lol