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5/5/2007 10:54 AM GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!! (175 Comments)

maxthaman
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  • 20, Victoria, Australia

GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

* "The God Hypothesis", p. 31[1]

- Richard Dawkins (voted as Britians most prominent living intellectual)






God Will Kill Everyone

"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)



God's Human Slaughter Fest

Stand in silence in the presence of the Sovereign LORD, for the awesome day of the LORD's judgment has come. The LORD has prepared his people for a great slaughter and has chosen their executioners. "On that day of judgment," says the LORD, "I will punish the leaders and princes of Judah and all those following pagan customs. Yes, I will punish those who participate in pagan worship ceremonies, and those who steal and kill to fill their masters' homes with loot. "On that day," says the LORD, "a cry of alarm will come from the Fish Gate and echo throughout the newer Mishneh section of the city. And a great crashing sound will come from the surrounding hills. Wail in sorrow, all you who live in the market area, for all who buy and sell there will die. "I will search with lanterns in Jerusalem's darkest corners to find and punish those who sit contented in their sins, indifferent to the LORD, thinking he will do nothing at all to them. They are the very ones whose property will be plundered by the enemy, whose homes will be ransacked. They will never have a chance to live in the new homes they have built. They will never drink wine from the vineyards they have planted. "That terrible day of the LORD is near. Swiftly it comes – a day when strong men will cry bitterly. It is a day when the LORD's anger will be poured out. It is a day of terrible distress and anguish, a day of ruin and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom, of clouds, blackness, trumpet calls, and battle cries. Down go the walled cities and strongest battlements! "Because you have sinned against the LORD, I will make you as helpless as a blind man searching for a path. Your blood will be poured out into the dust, and your bodies will lie there rotting on the ground." Your silver and gold will be of no use to you on that day of the LORD's anger. For the whole land will be devoured by the fire of his jealousy. He will make a terrifying end of all the people on earth. (Zephaniah 1:7:18 NLT)



God Will Kill Ethiopia

"You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist. (Zephaniah 2:12-15 NLT)



An Angry Jealous God

"I have wiped out many nations, devastating their fortress walls and towers. Their cities are now deserted; their streets are in silent ruin. There are no survivors to even tell what happened. I thought, 'Surely they will have reverence for me now! Surely they will listen to my warnings, so I won't need to strike again.' But no; however much I punish them, they continue their evil practices from dawn till dusk and dusk till dawn." So now the LORD says: "Be patient; the time is coming soon when I will stand up and accuse these evil nations. For it is my decision to gather together the kingdoms of the earth and pour out my fiercest anger and fury on them. All the earth will be devoured by the fire of my jealousy. "On that day I will purify the lips of all people, so that everyone will be able to worship the LORD together. My scattered people who live beyond the rivers of Ethiopia will come to present their offerings. (Zephaniah 3:6-10 NLT)



Pillage and Plunder

For the land of Israel lies empty and broken after your attacks, but the LORD will restore its honor and power again. Shields flash red in the sunlight! The attack begins! See their scarlet uniforms! Watch as their glittering chariots move into position, with a forest of spears waving above them. The chariots race recklessly along the streets and through the squares, swift as lightning, flickering like torches. The king shouts to his officers; they stumble in their haste, rushing to the walls to set up their defenses. But too late! The river gates are open! The enemy has entered! The palace is about to collapse! Nineveh's exile has been decreed, and all the servant girls mourn its capture. Listen to them moan like doves; watch them beat their breasts in sorrow. Nineveh is like a leaking water reservoir! The people are slipping away. "Stop, stop!" someone shouts, but the people just keep on running. Loot the silver! Plunder the gold! There seems no end to Nineveh's many treasures – its vast, uncounted wealth. Soon the city is an empty shambles, stripped of its wealth. Hearts melt in horror, and knees shake. The people stand aghast, their faces pale and trembling. (Nahum 2:2-10 NLT)




Natural Disasters are God's Wrath

The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Micah Kills a Whole Town

Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT)

(Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)



Ten Thousand Murdered at God's Command

After Joshua died, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Which tribe should attack the Canaanites first?" The LORD answered, "Judah, for I have given them victory over the land." The leaders of Judah said to their relatives from the tribe of Simeon, "Join with us to fight against the Canaanites living in the territory allotted to us. Then we will help you conquer your territory." So the men of Simeon went with Judah. When the men of Judah attacked, the LORD gave them victory over the Canaanites and Perizzites, and they killed ten thousand enemy warriors at the town of Bezek. While at Bezek they encountered King Adoni-bezek and fought against him, and the Canaanites and Perizzites were defeated. Adoni-bezek escaped, but the Israelites soon captured him and cut off his thumbs and big toes. Adoni-bezek said, "I once had seventy kings with thumbs and big toes cut off, eating scraps from under my table. Now God has paid me back for what I did to them." They took him to Jerusalem, and he died there. The men of Judah attacked Jerusalem and captured it, killing all its people and setting the city on fire. (Judges 1:1-8 NLT)



Kill All of Babylon

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)



Killed by a Lion

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)



Exterminate 7 Nations

You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you. Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods. If you do, they will trap you. Perhaps you will think to yourselves, 'How can we ever conquer these nations that are so much more powerful than we are?' But don't be afraid of them! Just remember what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all the land of Egypt. Remember the great terrors the LORD your God sent against them. You saw it all with your own eyes! And remember the miraculous signs and wonders, and the amazing power he used when he brought you out of Egypt. The LORD your God will use this same power against the people you fear. And then the LORD your God will send hornets to drive out the few survivors still hiding from you! "No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the LORD your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God. The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little. You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you. But the LORD your God will hand them over to you. He will throw them into complete confusion until they are destroyed. He will put their kings in your power, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all. (Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT)



Kill Everyone in 7 Nations

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)



These are just a few of the actual QUOTES from that book of propaganda known as the old testament. Absolutely shocking to know that at least half of the world's population, primarily Christians and Jews but also groups such as Jews, Mormons and Jehovahs Witness', they all base their entire belief system on this book of lunacy.

Why would anyone ever want to believe in this craziness? There is no EVIDENCE of god WHATSOEVER. THIS book is supposed to be the Evidence that 'god' exists! Is that a joke????? It is logical to see that Belief in God is illogical!

And to all those people who are religious and are saying- "Prove God does not exist", that is a flawed argument. The onus is on the person who believes in whatever. If anyone tells you they believe in the toothfairy or the matrix or the invisible pink unicorn or fairies, then it is up to them to prove that what they believe in exists!




Epicurus is credited with first expounding the problem of evil. David Hume in his Dialogues concerning Natural Religion (1779) cited Epicurus in stating the argument as a series of questions:

"Is [God] willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"



I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures or has a will of the kind we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in Nature.

* Albert Einstein




POINT PROVEN (Nothing in life can be proven, but this is a fact that is BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT)

5/5/2007 10:57 AMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
HERE ARE SOME VIDEOS TO GIVE SOME MORE VALUABLE INSIGHT INTO RELIGION, GOD AND THE TRUTH ABOUT IT ALL-

5/5/2007 10:58 AMRe: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

5/5/2007 10:58 AMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

5/5/2007 11:03 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED

azurebluesky
@nGi3's LiF3 24, Malaysia
yup... GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED

true

GOD is only our own belief...

every religion is also the same..

can you touch it?

kiss?

Hugs?

muacks?

and it is our imagination and belief.
How true it is depends on how STRONG is our faith in our own religion and others.

Mine never exist but it is deep in my heart. I seldom pray but only twice a year. Bless me...

5/5/2007 11:25 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PR

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
It is most important to not be dragged around with the crowds, especially on such a matter of life and death. It is very fortunate that people are beginning to realize how lives are wasted due to religious delusions.

Everybody has the right to decide for themselves though. If everybody made up their own mind, the world would be SUCH a better place.


Peace.

5/5/2007 2:58 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PR

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
every religion is the same...


... every religion is the same?



... hm, well perhaps its just that its been a few decades since you were at school, but tell me - How exactly are they all the same? im intrigued, really.

5/6/2007 12:35 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
They all believe in the Supernatural, Fullstop.

5/6/2007 3:19 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT E

azurebluesky
@nGi3's LiF3 24, Malaysia
Good nitez everyBody..

better Save time N Sleep Early..

I mean GOD/ALLAH is OUR own belief.
Whether it REALLY exist or not. No Fuss! Same goes to Ghost.. but I Have not see one before. Just belief that it exist by our side..

I also belief that God Exist--->it really Depends on how strong your faith is.

If you love your religion --->no-matter where you are it still exist deep in your heart.

GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST is Not proven scientifically. So, I am still on my stand that GOD Exist because I belief he was no need to be proved or VICE VERSA. To those that don't have religion.. GOD does not exist because you don't belief in it. SIMPLE RITE! Peace.

Maybe there should be a documentary to show GOD REALLY exist..in 3D format. It was a havoc when DAN BROWN movie was screen in the Cinema. How true was it ? depends on our own belief...

NO need show off to others that your's exist or vice versa in this forum. I am a free thinker...NO offense.

Good nite..



5/6/2007 3:21 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT E

azurebluesky
@nGi3's LiF3 24, Malaysia
Good nitez everyBody..

better Save time N Sleep Early..

I mean GOD/ALLAH is OUR own belief.
Whether it REALLY exist or not. No Fuss! Same goes to Ghost.. but I Have not see one before. Just belief that it exist by our side..

I also belief that God Exist--->it really Depends on how strong your faith is.

If you love your religion --->no-matter where you are it still exist deep in your heart.

GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST is Not proven scientifically. So, I am still on my stand that GOD Exist because I belief he was. No need to be prove or VICE VERSA. To those that don't have religion.. GOD does not exist because you don't belief in it. SIMPLE RITE! Peace.

Maybe there should be a documentary to show GOD REALLY exist..in 3D format. It was a havoc when DAN BROWN movie was screen in the Cinema. How true was it ? depends on our own belief...

NO need show off to others that your's exist or vice versa in this forum. I am a free thinker...NO offense.

Good nite..



5/6/2007 7:32 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT E

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
ok.. then by your reasoning... i have a nose.. and you have a nose... so we are the same thing arent we, full stop?

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5/5/2007 11:32 AMRe: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

HELLnConsequence
M!|2()Z 25, Cairo, Egypt
i guess u've got a bit confused..if there is god that doesnt mean the world would be perfect....there would be no problems....also u could never depend on praying if ur sick, or if u have exams..or doin a job and stuff like tht god didnt say ok ppl be stupid u only have to pray and everything will go ur way.....u have to work for everything u want...and just believe that god would help u coz u have done all tht u cant to get wat u want....and also not all believers are good ppl some have been confused, others just pretend....and some just dont get their religion right....and u have to know tht everything happens for a reason so for example 9/11..it happened coz of a bunch of crazy ppl decided to crash the plan to the towers and they claim to be "muslims"....well guess wat those ppl acually donno sh*t about islam....coz if they just had an idea wat islam was they would've known tht u could never hurt other ppl even if theyre not muslim...even if they dont belive in god...terrorrism is against islam yet some terrorists claim to be muslim...anyways thts not the point....the thing i wanted to clear out is tht not because there are bad things in the world this means god doent exist... if there is such thing as a perfect world, then y is there heaven and hell?.....maaan....i wrote so much :)

5/5/2007 11:37 AMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Yes, I can understand where you are coming from....But WHY even believe in 'God' or 'Allah' if you will in the first place??

5/5/2007 12:03 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED

HELLnConsequence
M!|2()Z 25, Cairo, Egypt
coz i guess when u belive in god...u kind of have answers to many things tht happen in life...having faith makes ppl stronger i guess....also u dont keep on questioning eveything...

5/5/2007 12:30 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PR

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Well unless someone is a blindly driven conformist, then I don't see how being religious would stop then questioning everything.

Being religious just makes millions more unanswerable questions which are put into an endless paradox of confusion.

The only truth is through what we know are definites, such as science.

5/5/2007 1:32 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST

HELLnConsequence
M!|2()Z 25, Cairo, Egypt
well sure science is truth we all know tht...even religious ppl belive tht....and am with you...but not everyone is blindely driven to belive in god sum ppl just choose to belive u know....well for me i was born and raised as a muslim...but i never actually acted as one....but then times changed n i chose to become one or actually act like one....i have many friends who dont belive in god am i respect their choice...but some of them found their faith in god....actually just one of them :D he converted to islam...no one ever talked him to beliving he just understood the religion...and found himself believing in god....but u kn ow everyone has a different point of view when in comes to religion and god....everyone believes something different and i think we should all respect tht

5/5/2007 3:03 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
I don't see how being religious would stop then questioning everything.


smartest thing youve said yet - it doesnt.

5/5/2007 3:09 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT E

HELLnConsequence
M!|2()Z 25, Cairo, Egypt
well coz u got the answers in ur religion....i said tht coz for me am muslim and everything about religion, life, science...watever was mentioned in the holy quraan....so u have the basics for EVERYTHING...and i guess its the same for everyone...if u belive in something then u must not have any doubts

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pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
well... fair enough. But I dont believe in ISlam. God is the most important thing in my life, and my faith does not conflict with questioning everything in any way.

If you believe in something than you dont have doubts???? speak for yourself bro. Personally im not gona presume to be that arrogant until im in heaven with god.

5/6/2007 12:34 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DO

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Well good luck. Waste your life away in this delusion. Because everybody (with any education) these days either knows deep down inside that There is NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER that the J-C-I God exists.

And if you really are questioning everything then you should have arrived at this conclusion a long time ago, unless you're still being fed some kind of propaganda from a church or something. Christianity answers NO questions about Life, Death and the Universe. It merely Makes PATHETIC EXCUSES.

5/6/2007 7:38 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, H

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Because everybody (with any education) these days either knows deep down inside that There is NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER that the J-C-I God exists.

WEll aside from the fact that that conjecture is nowhere near correct (for instance, I myself disprove it) - but its strange, I find it far more likely that everybody, educated or not, knows "deep down inside" that there is a god out there.

if you really are questioning everything then you should have arrived at this conclusion a long time ago

uh.. no wrong again. In fact it wasnt until I really started to question everything and was openminded about all the beliefs that I realised atheism was wrong. Fortunately i can say i have never been fed propaganda in my life.


Christianity answers NO questions about Life, Death and the Universe. It merely Makes PATHETIC EXCUSES.

Well matter of opinion.

I think jesus answered more questions than any other belief or nonbelief there exists. He debunked excuses if anything.

5/5/2007 3:20 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST

findingskittles
Wesley™Verified Zorpian 24, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
did you also know all science is theoretical, meaning it can be disproven at anytime.

5/5/2007 3:26 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT E

HELLnConsequence
M!|2()Z 25, Cairo, Egypt
well....ya but not everything...coz u know there are some scientific facts....i just wanted to point out tht if someone belives in god then if he got sick he would go pray or something....well he could pray but he has to use reason in everything...which means goin to a hospital and getting cured

5/5/2007 3:30 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES N

findingskittles
Wesley™Verified Zorpian 24, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
actually all science is theoretical. take gravity, we know its there, what it does, but we can never fully explain it, only learn more about it, and alter previous thoughts on its mechanics.

5/5/2007 4:40 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DO

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
absolutely.

Its so Ironic, but the majority of people who go on and on about how science is the only truth and it disproves religion.... lol, have such difficulty remembering and understanding this - which is one of the key concepts of their very "faith".

5/5/2007 6:47 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, H

findingskittles
Wesley™Verified Zorpian 24, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
i think it requires more "faith" on their part to believe they are some cosmic accident, then it does for us to know how we got here.

5/5/2007 7:25 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVI

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
exactly. Its actually kind of sad.... it seems so many atheists are just atheist because they have this overpowering phobia of the possibility that a god is real, moreso than actually using their logic.

5/6/2007 12:20 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
"Only Sheep need a shepherd."

Christians are people who cannot bear to think for themselves.

5/6/2007 6:37 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLA

findingskittles
Wesley™Verified Zorpian 24, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
i'd put it the other way around.

5/6/2007 7:30 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLA

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
lol, no christians are people who are humble and perceptive enough to know that we all need help.

You think you are not a sheep? lol, how brave of you.

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HELLnConsequence
M!|2()Z 25, Cairo, Egypt
sheep!!! noway...i belive in god...but i am....well, ME!!

5/6/2007 7:43 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
sheep not in the full or stereotypical sense of the word (ie. being incapable of forming opinions); but sheep as in being incapable of surviving independantly, needing assistance and guidance - and we ALL fall under this category.

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HELLnConsequence
M!|2()Z 25, Cairo, Egypt
ya sure...but u dont only depend on god for everything...u have to work to get wat u want surly deep inside u pray to god if u have faith ...thts wat i meant

5/6/2007 6:47 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DO

HELLnConsequence
M!|2()Z 25, Cairo, Egypt
ok....ur right i just couldnt clear my point...but if someone belives in god doent mean he wouldnt take the advantages of modern science, technology, medicin...all tht stuff and just depend on god...so we go ohh plz god i need to get cured...or god am soo poor i need money...u live ur life the same weather u belive in god or not...the only difference is tht u belive tht god created everything incuding u :) so u do some things in return like praying.....or trying not to sin...tht stuff...but in the daily life we're all the same....and we all seek a better life for oursleves

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5/5/2007 1:55 PMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

AYUxFREAK
AYUxFREAK 108, Pennsylvania, United States
Heaven and hell is your perception of an afterlife. What really happens is your heart stops pumping you get no oxygen the end you're dead. You dont move anywhere fluffy called Heaven. And people work hard all the time, god STILL doesn't help them. Excuse me, but why is that?

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HELLnConsequence
M!|2()Z 25, Cairo, Egypt
well...god is not supposed to help ppl..he created ppl to live their lives the way they choose...it could be a hard life....a good one.....anything....u have the choice

5/5/2007 2:29 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED

ChristiRose
Phlirt~ PervVerified Zorpian 36, PervCity ~ Sweet, but not innocent!, Indiana, United States
Kari... you are seeing the concept a bit unclearly... it's not about being rewarded in this life, but in the afterlife. This physical world is only a stepping stone, and your physical wants are of no importance... your physical body is only of importance in that it is supposed to carry you on this part of your journey... so if you get sick or injured, should you pray not to die? no, you should pray for comfort of the soul, that you can accept God's will because you trust Him and dying isn't a bad thing because you are going to be with Him. And I'm not sure that "hard work" is what God rewards anyway... it's much more likely to be your spiritual work... how you've treated others, whether your heart is full of love or hate, etc. What you've said about death is true, for your physical body, but what about your spiritual consciousness? Many people have technically died, like ones who've drowned in frigid water and been brought back... even though their bodies were technically dead for an extended period of time, they still report having a consciousness during that time.

I'm not telling you that you should believe what I just wrote, I'm just trying to explain the misconception... even "devout" Christians sometimes misunderstand... that's why you hear so many of them are praying for things that really don't matter. Most people who lose their faith do because they had the wrong idea of it in the first place.

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pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
people work hard all the time, god STILL doesn't help them. Excuse me, but why is that?

Why is that? Well why should he?

We're HIS servants, not the other way round lol.

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WhitePride2
McCain4Presi 19, United Kingdom
@Hayley

How very true, we are his slaves, well those who believe it are.

5/5/2007 4:42 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
well servants, definitely not slaves.

A servant is free but chooses their occupation - a slave has no options.

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WhitePride2
McCain4Presi 19, United Kingdom
'We' serve, and would not be released, and so there is not much difference.

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pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
"'We' serve, and would not be released"

..sry, is that a reference from somewhere?

god gives us free will.

We are perfectly free to come and go as much as we like, but i dont know why anyone would.

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WhitePride2
McCain4Presi 19, United Kingdom
No, of course no refrence.

Yes free will, to do what we are told or suffer in hell, good option.

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pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
lol, well its not a freakin buffet. what other option would you prefer?

And you know the sad thing is, some people do think its a good option. Satan himself used to be god's angel, but he was selfish and chose to only care about himself not others, ie. hell.

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WhitePride2
McCain4Presi 19, United Kingdom
If we had been given freedom i would expect to be free.

What i find very annoying is that we were given so called free will, yet if we do not believe in god then we go to hell.

But we have been made by God if we were, to believe in what has been proven, god then does not prove himself, and punishes us for not believing in him, when he made us only to believe in what is proven.

Quite hypercritical, that you can not deny.

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maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Exactly Varick!

The Christian 'God' is made completely out of FEAR. Just like how Hitler got the Germans to go to war or George Orwells Nineteen Eighty-Four.

How can a loving God let us live only by Fear??

That believe is just unreasonable. As well as facts like he WANTS us to eat his Bread and DRINK HIS BLOOD, he is just as strange, cruel and Evil as any PAGAN god. Messed up.

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WhitePride2
McCain4Presi 19, United Kingdom
Not completely out of fear, but a equal amount is made of fear.

How out of fear if Hitler lead the Germans to war? i would say more by vengeance and racial belief.

The bread and wine are representational.

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maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
However much fear he runs by, still makes him bad-natured.

The people under the third Reich had no money and were wanting, searching for someone to help. Once the chance came along to get the things they wished for, they feared that their circumstances would be very undesirable without this 'shepherd'. So they followed Hitler like Christians follow 'Jesus', like Sheep.

Any representation which includes drinking blood is obviously sick.

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WhitePride2
McCain4Presi 19, United Kingdom
Not really, Hitlers success was more to do with the mass propaganda and SS. For most of the time under Hitler, Germany was prosperous, not at the beginning, but for most part, and not the end.

Not sick, stupid indeed, but not sick.

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maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
But obviously the propaganda made people scared and therefore controllable. Hitler needed the millions of supporters, and that was the only way to get them- not through being a nice, charming, moral driven person.

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WhitePride2
McCain4Presi 19, United Kingdom
It did not make them scared, it simply formed their minds into how the Nazi's wanted it, by showing and telling the same, they became accustom to it.

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pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
However much fear he runs by, still makes him bad-natured.



Hm, you're right... good thing he doesnt run anything by fear then.

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pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
lol, so you dont have fear? wow, you are sounding more and more like some superhuman with every sentence you utter.

Christianity was not made out of fear, it was made out of love.

Personally when i became christian all my fears were made insignificant because I know that jesus has saved me.

5/6/2007 7:53 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
lol but we are free!

Free to go to hell if we want to.

Just like we are all free to either live peacefully with our friends and family, or we are free to go crazy and kill everyone if we want. We'd go to jail for it yes, but it is still freedom simply because it is an option.


Here are a few defintions of the word freedom:

1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint
2. exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
3. the power to determine action without restraint.

And yes we certainly do have freedom.

Freedom does not mean happiness, paradise, bliss etc. It is merely an absence of control, obligations, restraint etc.

What is hypocritial about making something with an intent in mind? Perhaps you dont quite understand what the word means.

If you have a daughter and you love her so much.. but when she grows up she runs away and becomes a hooker in thailand... does that make you a hypocrite?

There is no need for god to prove himself, and he knows this. I have never needed proof and neither have many others. So if some dont need proof, than nobody else needs proof either.

5/6/2007 2:50 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLA

WhitePride2
McCain4Presi 19, United Kingdom
Hell is obviously not were most people would like to go.

The freedom given by God is:

Do what i say, do what i want, or i shall punish you by doing to you what you fear most.

Basically do what i want, that sounds to me like a political dictator.

Yet we are supposed to be free.

And the daughter in Thailand, well i am not going to send her to hell am i.

Everyone is different, you may ot need proof but others do.

5/6/2007 3:33 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
no but thats the thing, god doesnt send people to hell either, it is just where people end up if they run away/refuse to be with god (ie. run away to thailand)

And no god is nothing like a political dictator and thats a very simplistic conclusion.

Political dictator's are selfish and make people do things they dont want to.

God doesnt make anyone do anything they dont want to because everything he wants for us is in out best interests... like, what is there not to like about god's will? Love one another, respect one another, care for one another, dont be selfish, and apologise when you do the wrong thing. If someone has a problem with those morals I cant really feel any sympathy for them.


And god loves us and cares for us... nothing like a dictator lol.

And we could not possibly be anymore free then we already are.

We can do whatever we want, we can sin and tear god's heart to pieces... but he will always love us and no matter what anybody chooses to do with their freedom, god will forgive them as soon as they ask to be forgiven. There are no conditions for god's love.

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WhitePride2
McCain4Presi 19, United Kingdom
Saint Peter does, the first pop and disciple of God, doing what God tells him to do.

Not literally god that does it, but that is only the same as it was not literally Hitler killing six million Jews, he has it done.

HAHAHA, yep fits the definition of god been a dictator so selfish and enforcing what is not wanted to be done.

That God does nothing for those who live in places such as Africa, and as i am sure i have said to you before, that it is his will not to defend a women about to be sent to hospital again by her drunk husband.

What is there not to like, well apart from my own opinions, and psychological analysis of him and his will, there are all the situations at his hand he does nothing about, despite been the cause for them.

For example 'god inspired' 9/11, were was he when people were jumping out of 30 stories? In fact this is similar to my point of not really having a choice, these people could of stayed and died of fire on smoke, or they could jump.

It is not a real choice.

Prove, prove that god loves us, he kills enemies of the people with his vengeance, yet allows pop pot to live for so long, or Stalin, or Hitler.

o lol, really.

Yes, we can get forgiveness, but only if it is asked for.

Many people are literally incapable of doing this, so what for them? hell.

It is no choice, no freedom, do only as god says to be OK.

even for forgiveness it has to be as god stipulates.


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pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
um... as todd said before, if you want people to listen to you, you shuold try and make it clear what statements you are responding to because its really not obvius and you're not making much sense.


so what is it that saint peter did and wat of it?

And what is it that god did that is compared to killing 6m jews? lol

once again, god is nothing like a dictator because he enforces nothing whatsoever, he forces no one to do anything they dont want to and he is the least selfish thing conceivable. He feels infinite love for every single soul that has ever lived and ever will.... who else can say that?


and we're going over things we've already discussed - the answers to all the points you keep bringing up have already been given to you so many times, and they arent going to change no matter how many times you ask them, im not your mother.

god does not stop all suffering? no he doesnt but he stops a lot of it and there's no reason why he should stop all of it.


god inspired 9/11?? uh, no.

god kills the enemies of his people with vengance??? lol


And yes god lets people no matter how evil others deem them live. Because in god's eyes we are all as sinful as one another, he loves us all equally.

Anyone who thinks they are in any position to say, oh im a better person than so n so - lol, well its not surprising they are incapable of grasping jesus' message.


yes we can get forgiveness but only if its asked for - no s*i* sherlock. because the alternative would be.... ? lol.




... many people are incapable of doing what???




Again, you show no comprehension of the meaning of the word freedom, if you do in fact know it.



5/6/2007 4:45 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

WhitePride2
McCain4Presi 19, United Kingdom
As i said to todd, all you need do is rember what you wrote.

Saint peter:

Like i said, saint Peter is doing what he does at Gods hand, according to Gods rules.]

Jews and Hitler:
Hitler himself did not kill 6m jews, but he had it done, as God has saint Peter judge for him, in accordance to how God says he should.

No one else is supposed to be immortal, so no one else. Anyway he loves everyone does he? then why does he kill those that do not follow him, or allow for his chuildren to go to hell?

And why does he let all his children kill each other in his name? with religious wars.

No, you have given answers that do not answer what has been asked.

That is not going to change until you give a different answer.

"no he doesnt but he stops a lot of it and there's no reason why he should stop all of it."

"He feels infinite love for every single soul that has ever lived and ever will.... who else can say that?"

right, so despite loving the people that suffer, he has no reason to stop their suffering. That is what you are saying? if so, then that he loves us, does not mean much if it does not even motivated him to help us. I can remember saying this to you before in another forum, and remember the answer yo gave, i answer that does not answer the question that is asked. Like i have said above.

O and actually, most of the world does suffer, like, ALL THE THIRD WORLD as well as much in the rich part of the world.


Yes, among other things yes, but also yes, you do know what Jihad means don't you.

And that all none believers in Allah must die according to those idiots sentiments.

That is what is said in the bible, that those who stand against God will face his wrath. People say that when groups of people die that they do not like, it is by the hand of god.

Not to mention, that in accordance to the bible, despite loving all people that have ever lived, he killed all the first sons of Egypt, this is vengeance.

We are all as sinful, then why do we all not go to Hell?

This is quite ridiculous now, respectfully.

Jesus message you are referring to is not that we are all as sinful as each other, but that no one is superior racially.

Exactly, there is no true choice, either go to hell, or ask for forgiveness, which for many people, is something they can not do.

So no choice only hell for not doing as God wants.

Ask for forgiveness, and many people should not ask, rather god should.

HAHAH o lol. I know freedom, you know ignorance.


And anyway if we are all free, then why are there people like me who think we are not? if god was all powerful and good, he would of made a freedom that ALL people including me would consider to be free.

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maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
WHY DOES GOD LET ONE BILLION PEOPLE IN THE WORLD STARVE TO DEATH??

It makes absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL, and there CAN be NO EXCUSE AT ALL for it.

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pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
why doesnt it make sense marz?

What's confusing your little head now?

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maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Okay...my 'little head' still has a lot of sympathy for the millions who are dying for no reason in Sudan, Somalia, India, South Africa, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Burma, Laos, Vietnam, Niger, Chad, Mali and also dozens of other countries.

I am extremely sorry that the Christian Religion and its followers cannot with their BIG HEADS see that there are OTHER people in the world who are dying away after living short painful miserable lives for NO REASON.

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pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
um.... I also have a lot of sympathy for the millions who are dying for no reason in Sudan, Somalia, India, South Africa, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Burma, Laos, Vietnam, Niger, Chad, Mali and also dozens of other countries... as do most christians. That would be a small reason for why there are so many christian charities.

And... you do realise that there are plenty of reasons why these people are dying... its not 'random' without any reason....

These people are dying because they dont have money, because other people in the world abuse them.... there's plenty of reasons why poverty exists.

And none of them are god's fault. It is humanity that is at fault.

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maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
BUT it WOULD BE 'God's' Fault if it existed.

You see, IT would have created it this way.

IT would have known about all future actions.

IT would not care about all the disaster, because it allows it to happen.

Therefore IT cannot happen because god is supposed to be all powerful it must be able to change the things because it supposedly loves us so much.

How can anyone argue for a god or gods that just are not there?? It just does not make any sense.

5/5/2007 6:16 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PR

AYUxFREAK
AYUxFREAK 108, Pennsylvania, United States
A lil humane decency then. I mean servants shouldn't be treated like crap too right?

5/5/2007 6:24 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
lol well he treats us with far more than humane decency.

The absence of god showering the earth with money and making all sick people healthy again does not equate to treating us like crap! LOL

He treats us very well, he just doesnt baby us, which i'm glad of. It would be an insult to our intelligence if he did. We are already capable of helping the world's suffering, we dont need god to blow magic dust everywhere, and he knows this.

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maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
THEN WHY ARE ONE BILLION PEOPLE IN THE WORLD STARVING???

Does god give a s*it about them??? NO.

There is simply no excuse for that. If he were to exist, he would be Racist, Cruel, Sadistic and Evil.

And CHRISTIANS are FOOLS and ARROGANT for Buying into the bunch of crap men from two thousand years ago wrote.

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pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
people are starving because other people are selfish, simple as that.

Does god give a s**t about them? absolutely. He loves everyone equally.

Tell me, if you had a son, and he was having trouble with an assignment... would you do it for him? Or would you just give him some pointers so that he can learn and grow for himself? Im sure you would do the latter. Does this make you cruel, racist, sadistic and evil, or does this make you a loving father?

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5/5/2007 1:20 PMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

Dice666
King 19, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
so we gotta worship devil as god?

5/5/2007 1:31 PMRe: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
What?? Only if you are twice as crazy as the usual fanatic.

5/5/2007 1:39 PMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

lostinbanggers
1 20, United States
quite graphic

all very powerfull word's with an ever apparent agenda

how anyone can say theese are the word's of god is beyond me,

obviously

Zephaniah - scares the s*it out of everbody with sermons of the lords vengence, to make people who have sinned feel guilty so they will do anything to save thier souls from eternal torment

nahum - warns of terrible thing's to come driving people to fear and a need to do something about it, because scared people are much more easy to tell what to do

zacheria - is a murdering zealout, make's sure that no-one try's to contest their instructions or "god's will"

judges - uses history to build up hatred and the need for revenge

king's - twist moral tales to make people subserviant to god's will through fear of reprisal

jeramiah - whips the troops up in to a frenzy and dirrects them against thier enemies

and dueteronomy seems to be discribing and directing a mass genocide of the whole world



and it's so powerfull because all theese guy's are touting similar versions of the same crap with no-one allowed to speak out against it, so thier own people, have all this thrown at them from all angles, and most probably respond to different part's and ignore the other bit's they don't agree with, but together they are all one mass to dirrect against whomever the leaders choose, all in fear for their eternal souls (which we all know could never exist really)

almost exactly the same kind of propaganda we see from the U.S theese day's

except the U.S stuff is a bit dumbed down

5/5/2007 2:52 PMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

richguyroc
Cheater+Flir 30, I'l be back soon=/, United States
If God exist, he/she/it could end this argument right now. Perhaps by banging the heads of both believer and unbeliever. One for putting words in his/her/it mouth (if there is one), and the other for wasting time.


....

SO I think he does not!LOL

5/5/2007 2:56 PMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Youre right. You've totally proven (take note of the spelling) that god is [vengeful(not evil)].

oh wait no you havent.

Thats just why Judaism is wrong.

5/5/2007 3:26 PMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

allyp1
AllyVerified Zorpian 20, Bath, United Kingdom
how can God be evil if he doesn't exist?

5/6/2007 12:37 AMRe: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
TRUE.

The answer is, hypothetically, if he did exist, then he would be extremely evil.

5/5/2007 11:30 AMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Interesting that nobody is replying on a topic that would normally fill with replies. Perhaps it is just simple- Nobody can argue with this stuff.

5/5/2007 3:02 PMRe: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
baha or maybe keep your knickers on for more than half an hour lol

5/5/2007 11:35 AMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

AchoL
AchoL 23, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
I agree. With most of it. People should make up their own minds though. Religion is too full of disaster to be all true. Something is very wrong with it. I like the videos, very interesting. Sure makes you think about it all.

5/5/2007 11:50 AMRe: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Something sure is wrong with Religion.

The world really needs to change soon.

It is time that people think for themselves and arrive at the truth.



"God is dead" - Friedrich Nietzsche

5/5/2007 12:04 PMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

HELLnConsequence
M!|2()Z 25, Cairo, Egypt
yaaa.... alot of things are wrong in religion ppl dont get religion right .....most ppl not all of them

5/5/2007 3:05 PMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Awww... you really think anyone's gonna be arriving at the "truth" anytime soon? lol, how cute

5/6/2007 12:39 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
What's cute is your imaginary friend. He is an arab or a jew, nobody knows. He was the greatest hero of fictional literature and began one of the greatest evils of the world called Christianity, and yet Christians still believe he was good-

AND...Anglo! How cute and very RACIST at the same time.

5/6/2007 8:07 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PR

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Jesus was a Jewish arab, einstein.

He is the greatest person who ever lived because he is divine and perfect.

lol and christianity is the greatest evil of the world!! bahaha. mate you're either pulling s**t out of your arse and you dont believe your own words.... or you're just plain stupid.

5/5/2007 12:15 PMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

rraain
scott 49, Canada
you dont need religion to know God

5/5/2007 12:28 PMRe: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
If you're talking about the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God, then yes you definitely do. But if you are talking about anything else like a spiritual or deeper meaning kind of God, then yes I agree with you, that does not require Religion
(and all the craziness that comes with it)

5/5/2007 12:34 PMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

rraain
scott 49, Canada
am talking about God as i understand him, not as you, them, some preacher, or whoever understands him.( what do you mean "and all the craziness that comes with it?"

5/5/2007 12:38 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
We're talking about organized religion versus private beliefs. Its unquestionable that religion has caused so much suffering and pain and deaths and everything over all these years, all due majorly to the old testament. So those are the two opposites we're trying to distinguish.

5/5/2007 12:43 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PR

rraain
scott 49, Canada
:) people need to learn to think on their own rather than have others tell em what to think

5/5/2007 12:51 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Exactly what I think. Nicely said of course. Peace ;)

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5/5/2007 3:07 PMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
no you dont... you dont need to have a religion to believe in the abrahamic god... well actually for islam and probably judaism you do... but you dont need a religion to believe in jesus' god.

5/6/2007 12:18 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
THEY ARE THE SAME! - Even if not exactly, they are all based on fear, discrimination and the same imaginary 'god'.

YES YOU DO NEED RELIGION TO BELIEVE IN THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN-MUSLIM GOD. Definition of Religion-


re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites.
8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
—Idiom
9. get religion, Informal.
a. to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
b. to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.


As you can see, most (although not everyone I admit) fits into believing in the J-C-I God. Therefore One DOES need Religion to believe in this strange being.

5/6/2007 8:16 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PR

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Well this is where you're making a very big (but i guess easy if you dont know much) mistake.

I said you dont need A religion to believe in Jesus' god.

I did not say you dont need religion to believe in jesus' god.

ie. You dont need to believe any religious doctrine to believe in jesus - however obviously if you believe he was real than you have some kind of religion.

But no, once again, Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all completely different gods.

They have the same basis.. but then again, all religions have the same basis - what matters is that the religions themselves are nothing alike and do not believe the others are true. If by definition a religion conflicts with another, clearly they cannot possibly be the same thing.

For instance, there was some battle in WWI that australia fought in Japan I think. Up until last year.. in fact it might still be going on - but basically australia won this battle easily, we slaughtered them. But ever since the war japan has been teaching and telling everyone that THEY in fact won the battle.

Now if we were to take a schoolbook from australia and a schoolbook from japan, they would tell completely different stories and draw completely different conclusions... and yet they have exactly the same origins and they are about exactly the same event.

5/5/2007 12:22 PMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

fidoarrows
dudeVerified Zorpian 25, Franky's place, Antarctica
their is no such thing is God of the Old Testament and God of the New Testament!! like this is how things work in the old days, humans where divided into tribes, clans, etc... and the only why of survival is to fight!! god in the old testament says " an eye with an eye, and a tooth with a tooth" but this story changed in the new testament, god says " love your enemies..." this was important in such stage of humanity, where still "jungle laws" where still working with! ciao

5/5/2007 1:10 PMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

MAXWISE1
MAX7X 26, Dar-es-salaam, Tanzania
anyone says against our Beloved God-//who has given us the chance to be forgiven - we who deserve to be destroyed and whiped out of his sight//- I feel sorry for himself that he will scream with grinding teeth and to be more sad that he wont have chance on that day to get into life--

as an example even to this world if a stranger does bad things to you will feel pity to let him sleep outside on cold night for you know he will perish-but if he curses you infront of your face and later he asks you to let him in-surely you wont--this same with God-God wont let someone to live with him who told him bad words//

5/5/2007 1:48 PMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

BeAn3r
Jose 18, Lancaster, South Carolina, United States
i don't agree w/ the dumbass who posted this topic....believe what u want....when my time comes....and IF there is no God, then i'm not hurtin nobody....but when your time comes and u wake up in hell, u think about the topic you posted....pendejo

5/5/2007 1:57 PMRe: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
In the words of one of the greatest thinkers of Mankind, Jean-Paul Sartre- "In choosing Existentialism, I choose Man".

Don't fool yourself. Life is not to be wasted on a crazy fantasy about whatever. Metaphorically; "Do not waste the game to get to supposed after party."

And for Gods sake (no pun intended) stop using that terrible American slang of 'dumbass' and whatever other obscenities you want to throw around- It just makes you sound like a redneck.

5/5/2007 3:10 PMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
"Do not waste the game to get to supposed after party."

Another good one - Isnt that fortunate then, that believing in god does not waste any 'game'.

5/5/2007 3:12 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED

BeAn3r
Jose 18, Lancaster, South Carolina, United States
what?......game???

5/5/2007 4:34 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PR

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
I was referring to Marz's quote making an analogy of
life->Game and Heaven->Afterparty:

"Do not waste the game to get to supposed after party."

ie. Some kind of insinuation that believing in god wastes one's life...? lol

5/6/2007 12:12 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
OF COURSE!

They spend thousands of hours of their lives praising an imaginary friend!

Okay answer me this then- Do you believe that Muhammed was the son of God??? Probably Not...So therefore you would say that MUSLIMS are WASTING their lives away praising him.

EXACTLY THE SAME as the CHRISTIANS wasting their lives away praising their FAKE ICON.

5/6/2007 1:39 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT E

BeAn3r
Jose 18, Lancaster, South Carolina, United States
ok, whatever dude....u have your beliefs and i have mine.....lets leave it at that

5/6/2007 8:28 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT E

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
I dont think muslims are wasting their lives praying because of their religion.. it is dependant entirely on the individual. Some people waste their lives, others do not.

If god was all imaginary and nothing happened when we died, my life wouldnt have been wasted because my relationship with god only makes my life more worthwhile.

Your logic applies to you also, if it turns out that my god is real and you go to hell, then you would have wasted you're whole life arguing about something you were completely wrong about. At least I have compensation, but what is your compensation for your lack of belief?

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5/5/2007 3:18 PMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

jwf1980au
Kanga 108, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
He might be one. mmmmmm are you an Athiest? I wansn't pointing my finger at you, just the general concept/ideology:)

5/5/2007 3:25 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED

BeAn3r
Jose 18, Lancaster, South Carolina, United States
me? i'm no Athiest.....i'm Agnostic

5/5/2007 2:56 PMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

ToXiCuMeR17
u.M.£.Я© 21, la\/\/h0rE..., Pakistan
this argument wont end until we die:0
so deirs no point yelling here
we wont hav 2 wait long 2 kno if he dus exist or not
all of us will soon find out
INSHALLAH

5/5/2007 3:41 PMRe: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

jwf1980au
Kanga 108, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
True

5/6/2007 12:41 AMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Why would one be looking forward to the day they DIE, which then they will be gone forever? it makes no sense whatsoever.

5/6/2007 12:52 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED

ToXiCuMeR17
u.M.£.Я© 21, la\/\/h0rE..., Pakistan
as if ur claims make a sh*t of a sense 2 me!!!people dat r scared 2 die myb they r afraid 2 meet GOD
but i claim u arent afriad of death this should make sense 2 u
coz all ur accusations 2 GoD will only be cleared by him himself
SO ITS ON U try make sense of it

5/6/2007 12:56 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PR

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
God makes no sense whatsoever- HE DOES NOT EXIST.

FACT.

5/6/2007 1:01 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST

ToXiCuMeR17
u.M.£.Я© 21, la\/\/h0rE..., Pakistan
WOW
KEEP UR FACT UP UR ARSE............... AND WAIT TILL U R IN THE DARKEST CELL OF UR LIFE



EVEN IF U WANT 2 BE BURNT ITS OK WITH GOD ATLEAST U'LL GET 2 KNOW HIM ONCE B4 U R THROWN INTO HEAVE ITSELF

5/6/2007 1:06 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT E

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
That religious talk of yours- 'Arse', 'Darkest Cell', 'Burnt is ok with God', etc, does not get anywhere with people like me who separate fact from fiction. God is very scary I agree, but only if you think he exists, otherwise you can see all the fictitious lies right through the very idea.

5/6/2007 1:11 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES N

ToXiCuMeR17
u.M.£.Я© 21, la\/\/h0rE..., Pakistan
well i didnt want 2 get in dis stupid convo wid u
coz i knew u r just anoder piece of a cake
wich lies infront of GOD
waiting 2 be cut ne time:P SO ALL I CAN DO IS LEAVE U ON UR OWN
i really dont give a damn why would i want 2 scare u:P

5/7/2007 9:15 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DO

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Cause that's what Religion is all about- Scaring people into believing in whatever fantasy.

5/7/2007 10:10 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, H

ToXiCuMeR17
u.M.£.Я© 21, la\/\/h0rE..., Pakistan
no 1 is scaring u:P


live ur life the way u want 2

5/8/2007 1:06 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVI

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Absolutely. But so should the people in all those totalitarian theocracies like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Morroco, Somalia, Sudan and to some degree even the US!

5/6/2007 8:30 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
lol, its almost funny how obsessed you are with trying to convince everyone you are privy to some kind of universal secret.

5/6/2007 11:09 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT E

ToXiCuMeR17
u.M.£.Я© 21, la\/\/h0rE..., Pakistan
kool u kept it as ALMOST and didnt get serious wid it or really sure about smthng


I DONT NEED NE ADVOCATES TO PROVE NE shi* 2 ME
just keep it upto u

5/6/2007 2:43 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES N

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
wat the... i wasnt talkin to you

5/6/2007 8:18 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DO

ToXiCuMeR17
u.M.£.Я© 21, la\/\/h0rE..., Pakistan
dats so stupid


u responded 2 me




next time MAKE SENse BY PUTTING @............WHOSOEVER u wana talk 2 in a multiple response thread

5/6/2007 8:25 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, H

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
OR

you can figure out who is talking to who by seeing who they are replying to, then you wont make the same mistake.

5/6/2007 8:47 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVI

ToXiCuMeR17
u.M.£.Я© 21, la\/\/h0rE..., Pakistan
or
or
or
or
or


people just dont accept their mistakes

5/10/2007 5:24 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
yes. Your mistake being that you didnt think to look at who was replying to whom.

5/11/2007 12:01 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLA

ToXiCuMeR17
u.M.£.Я© 21, la\/\/h0rE..., Pakistan
ooh just shut up

u win dis sh*t WATEVER...........................

5/11/2007 6:26 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
lol too easy mate

5/10/2007 5:25 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
bahahaha, no wonder you're so confused.


You think everything you cant get your head around does not exist??? bahahaha! awwww diddums

5/11/2007 12:29 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT E

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Ignorance is Bliss for Theists.

Us other people prefer fact than fiction.

5/11/2007 6:45 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES N

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Mate, ignorance is bliss for EVERYONE.

other people prefer fact to fiction??? LMFAO!!!! no one prefers fact to fiction. We all believe what we want to believe. You know why? cos no one has the facts right.

lmao "us other people" you are too much, you should start a cult.. "the others" LMAO

As I just said - you claim god does not exist.. because he doesnt make sense to you?!?!?!?!

So in that case Russian does not exist???

neither does quantum mechanics???

or biotechnology???

bahahahahaha!

5/11/2007 12:23 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DO

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Of course not, your logic is now making no sense...

Russian and Quantum mechanics and biotechnology makes sense to some people.

The Christian God makes good sense to nobody- nobody can prove or justify or understand it to a reasonable level. Therefore it can be said as unreasonable. Just like if a language called quantum Russian biotechnal were to exist- even if people believed in it; if there is no justification or reasonable understanding of it, then what is the point of that language even existing??

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5/5/2007 3:01 PMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

jwf1980au
Kanga 108, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/

God and Allah arn't the same.

Richard Dawkin's is a moron, he saids there will be peace if there were no religions. You all know that BS. Wars start for lots of reasons, bikies go to war over their clothes. If everyone became an athiest tommorrow, there would still be wars, cause everyone is greedy and wants cheap oil and land etc.

This goes out to all athiests and all other isms:

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5/5/2007 3:11 PMRe: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
i agree. Richard Dalkins is like the modern day Muhammad.

5/5/2007 3:21 PMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

DUDERIFIC
The DUDE©Verified Zorpian 25, Bradford, United Kingdom
What do you mean Modern day Muhammad?

5/5/2007 3:37 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED

jwf1980au
Kanga 108, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Their particular beliefs are different, but their intolerance is the same:d

5/5/2007 3:42 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PR

DUDERIFIC
The DUDE©Verified Zorpian 25, Bradford, United Kingdom
So, you read up on Islam? and Mohammed?.

5/5/2007 4:51 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Um.. i know a fair bit about muhammad and islam. What im not an expert on is the modern islamic interpretations that individuals have today.

Not to mean any offense, but I see a lot of similarities between richard dalkins and muhammad... because they are both a mixture of intolerant, proud, deluded, attention seeking and deceitful. I dont have anything against muslims, but i will not pretend to respect their messiah.

5/6/2007 6:54 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT E

findingskittles
Wesley™Verified Zorpian 24, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
lol i agree. i know a fair bit about islam, and can see what your saying.

5/7/2007 9:17 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES N

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
I know enough about Christianity, to know that their God is a jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

5/7/2007 1:26 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DO

findingskittles
Wesley™Verified Zorpian 24, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
looks like you have been brainwashed. i seriously doubt you learned all those words on your own.

5/8/2007 1:03 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, H

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Its a quote from Richard Dawkins. Reading more than just the Bible in a lifetime is perhaps the opposite of being 'brainwashed'. That's what the Bible is for.

5/8/2007 1:07 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVI

DUDERIFIC
The DUDE©Verified Zorpian 25, Bradford, United Kingdom
you know what I think, I think both of you should take this somwhere else.
And who the hell quotes that insecure piece of human goo.

5/8/2007 1:12 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Perhaps only the great majority of Britans that voted him the most prominant living British intellectual?

Probably not the Devout religious, Conservative, Fundamentalists, Jealous, or people that strongly disagree for some other reason though.

5/8/2007 1:28 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLA

DUDERIFIC
The DUDE©Verified Zorpian 25, Bradford, United Kingdom
by all means... fu** the majority.
think about it for a second.

5/8/2007 4:47 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
He seems to make perfect sense...

5/8/2007 7:02 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLA

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Perhaps only the great majority of Britans that voted him the most prominant living British intellectual?

uh.. the great majority of britans didnt vote him the most prominant living intellectual.

The majority of britans who voted in some poll did.

Probably not people who can recognise a s**t talker when they see one lol.

5/9/2007 8:41 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: GOD/

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
UH??

Didn't I SAY

Perhaps only the great majority of Britans THAT voted him the most prominant living British intellectual?

That means, the great majority, of Britans THAT voted him, etc...


People that know a very intelligent, intellectual man with the truth, lots of support, science backing him, and bestselling books.

5/9/2007 2:07 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

findingskittles
Wesley™Verified Zorpian 24, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
i could say the same of dr. seuss

5/10/2007 3:19 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
I could say the same with the Bible....

Except that would not be fair...

How could anyone compare the nonsense of the Bible with the superior wit of Dr. Seuss?

5/10/2007 2:08 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

findingskittles
Wesley™Verified Zorpian 24, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
the bible is not non-sense, and it's kinda funny you give dr. seuss praise for his wit, when he himself believed everything in the bible. he was also christian .

5/10/2007 2:24 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
What is funny is that you tried to use Dr. Suess as an example of something stupid or silly to compare something to, and now you are proud that he was Christian.

I'm saying, even most children's books have more sense than the bible holds. It is kind of fantasy that is supposed to make some illogical sense and get people to believe through a leap of blind faith and ignorance.

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5/10/2007 3:07 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

findingskittles
Wesley™Verified Zorpian 24, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
lol blind faith and ignorance. how about going to school and hearing theories, and gobbling them up as fact without question.

i've looked at the existence of God from both sides. i grew up in a christian home, but questioned God from what i would hear at school. so guess what i did, researched it. science is so full of holes they can't explain. they just ignore the fact that they have it all wrong. there is plenty of science that supports creation. try looking at things like irreducible complexity(this proves evolution to be false, darwin said if something like this were proved true his theory would fall apart), science makes up a theory to counter it. you can't prove a theory with another theory, its called denial.

also things like angular momentum, which has already been mentioned, prove the big bang to not have happened.

there are many more if you take the time to look for them.

5/10/2007 12:15 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

DUDERIFIC
The DUDE©Verified Zorpian 25, Bradford, United Kingdom
Thats doesn't mean they're right.
most of the people in the US voted for Bush as president, so did they here about Tony Blair.
Remember, it's all political, nothing is legitimate.
And would you all please stop trying to sound like you're smart.

Take it easy.

5/10/2007 1:48 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
I think you should read Dawkins 'The God Delusion'.

It's just a great book isn't it?

5/10/2007 5:18 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
uh no sh*t. I was emphasising that it was just a stupid poll and completely non conclusive.

In any case your semantics need improvement - the correct term is 'whom' not 'that'.

5/11/2007 12:30 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
If we were supposed to be talking very properly, then I suggest you stop with the sh*t's.

5/11/2007 3:42 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

DUDERIFIC
The DUDE©Verified Zorpian 25, Bradford, United Kingdom
smooth.

5/11/2007 6:36 AMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
oh sorry grandpa.

Fortunately for me the language i use does not prevent my clarity, the same however cannot be said about you.

I said nothing about "proper" speech. Its just a good idea to make sense as opposed to sounding stupid.

5/11/2007 12:23 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
If we were supposed to be talking sense, then I guess that we would not even be discussing Christianity in the first place.

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pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
you're right, WE wouldnt be.

Nor would WE be discussing anything it seems since it is something you are just incapable of.

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maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Hey, you attack me on a little grammatical mistake, then I rebut with your fowl language, then you say it makes more sense, and then I say Christianity isn't a topic which is supposed to make sense in discussion and now you think the reason for that is because I'm incapable of doing so??? Now that doesn't make sense.

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pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
of course all religions are different and you may very well be describing some belief of a god out there... but it sure as hell aint christianity. And you could not demonstrate more clearly how little you know of christianity.

God is definitely not petty, unforgiving or unjust because he is allforgiving and he is the greatest; definitely not a control freak or vindictive because as i said he forgives everything; definitely not a bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal or filicidal because he loves everyone equally and is against murder; not pestilential because he only ever does good; definitely not megalomaniacal because he IS the best, it is not a delusion and he of course has no mental problems; definitely not sadomasochistic because he takes no pleasure from anyone's pain; definitely not a capriciously malevolent bully because his mind never changes and he only does good for everyone.

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5/5/2007 3:13 PMRe: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

WhitePride2
McCain4Presi 19, United Kingdom
@Kanga

The religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are based on the same God from the old testament.

And the finger right back at you, how quite pathetic it is for you to say that in the first place.

5/5/2007 3:20 PMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

jwf1980au
Kanga 108, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Bah, you didn't read it. Allah is the pagan god of the Moon, he's not the god of the Bible.

5/5/2007 3:47 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED

WhitePride2
McCain4Presi 19, United Kingdom
The name is not, the same entity is Allah and Jehovah.

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pumpchild
phigjam 21, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
... not really. Thats a really common misconception.

Just because the religions have the same origins does not mean they share a god.

For instance, if some guy came along and said i believe in the torah, the bible and the quran and now ive made the final holy chapter where its been revealed to me by god (who's name is now fred) that we all need to eat chocolate everyday or else we go to hell...

Well obviously, Fred is not the same entity as christianity's god.

Personally, Allah is not my god.. simply because i do not think 'it' even exists - ie. i think muslims are all going to hell.

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jwf1980au
Kanga 108, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
You just earned yourself a fatwa:)

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WhitePride2
McCain4Presi 19, United Kingdom
And how have i done that? o lol.

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jwf1980au
Kanga 108, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Not ya.

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5/5/2007 3:15 PMRe: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

findingskittles
Wesley™Verified Zorpian 24, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
lmao!~ that richard dawkins is from a funny farm(it is applicable to say that since he is an evolutionist).

5/6/2007 12:21 AMRe: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HERE!!

maxthaman
Max 20, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Why was he voted Britons most Prominent scientist then - Receiving TWICE as many votes as the runner up!

5/6/2007 6:39 AMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

findingskittles
Wesley™Verified Zorpian 24, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
those votes are just from the scientific community. most scientists are atheist.

5/6/2007 1:58 PMRe: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED HER

jwf1980au
Kanga 108, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Cause he's a celebrity that's always on TV. There are much better scientists than him that don't get any attention.

5/6/2007 2:03 PMRe: Re: Re: Re: GOD/ALLAH IS EVIL, HE DOES NOT EXIST- PROVED

jwf1980au
Kanga 108, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
No actually Richard Dawkin's isn't a scientist, he might be a gutter scientist at best, but I would say that Dawkins is a philospher. If you spend so much time reading and studying the Bible and other religions, then your a philospher, or a theologian, (theologians can be athiests).
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