Big Bang?!

worthless to say that I'm clueless too ...*bangs head on the keyboard*

Its like a bottomless pit of "mystery". O.O
Afff... I wish I was born in 31th century or something. T.T

lol u think by then the mystery will be solved? I wanna be cryogenyzeid and wanna wake up by then! :))
actually when ur thinking about these kind of things I always feel that, ignorance being a bliss sometimes can help one not to go wacko. I hate unanswered questions.

If you discover, please, tell me

look at ,,digital angel,, a ,,movie,, made there in Serbia and you will find out many interesting things

Yeah I know about that "movie"... Its like Zeitgeist just in Serbian. :P

zeitgeist,digital angel, the secret etc....i ve seen them all. last week two women ring my door. i find out they are protestant. they ask me a question: do you belive that God made people or do you belive in Darwin theory that man evolved from apes? i answer that i belive in evolution theory, after that they put me an interting question wich sound this way: then do you belive that God was a monkey? .....i didn t know what to answer so i closed the door.
of corse i dont think man evolved from a single cell or from a worm. we are complex creatures.

Protestants? They sound like jehovah witnesses or some other Christian sect. *sigh* Very annoying people... I have forbidden them to come near my house. :P

Yeah, evolution theory is partially correct...
But in order to fully understand it we need to figure out what consciousness really is and how "spontaneous dna manifestation" happens.

But anyway... How does our origin helps us understand creation of our Universe? O.o

Q. How this universe came into existance ?
Ans : By our mind and the way it interprets data .

What does Big Bang, M theory, theory of superstrings, Quantum mechanic or should I say science have in common?.....they all are interpretation of logical mind, sometimes based on experiences(Newtonian mechanics,which was a valid theory till Einstein proved that light bends in the space time warp but this four dimensional equation of light's path(with time as the forth dimension) do reduce to a equation of a straight line in 3 dimensions(which our senses can perceive)), sometimes based on physical measurements or sometime by the mathematical equations(M theory).
.......but the question is - the universe as seen/interpretted by mind is the "real" one, if yes then what is "real" as everything we know is just a mental construct.

Big Bang has it's own flaws though it's accepted my most...the point you are talking about is the singularity when there was a cosmic egg. At that instance the space and time didn't existed. So obviously to see "before" that(say universe B) we have to use mathematical equations with dimensions which are valid and capable of defining the other universe and in that case time and space will derive from those equations themselves. Point is with our senses\logic which we have used to interpret this universe becomes void at singularity,since time and space don't exists.

There is an interesting theory...called "hole teleportation", which states that if we can send an object outside our universe then that object can appear anywhere in the universe in zero time. Google it if you like it but in brief it's like this:- Time and space were created by the big bang and just like after any normal bomb explosion(gas and debris spread out) time and space are also flying outwards, so there is still a limit after which time and space don't exists,that singularity is mathematically equal to the singularity that existed at the time of big bang. If you place any object outside the sphere of space and time, it won't belong to our universe anymore. Infact scientist have already achieved quantum teleportation in late 90s.

Universe(and every thing in it) is just a probability(i prefer quantum reality), just like the probability that out of various theories,big bang is the right one. Bottom line is, "We can never see beyond our minds ".

its the big bang as known
if there were any chaos no life wud b exist in the universe

Even if someone did have a logical, believable explanation for how this universe was created...they still wouldn't be able to prove it.

I think it's fascinating, and I'd love to discover how we actually came about...but I don't think its going to happen, and definitely not in my life-time. Stop worrying about the past and just enjoy your life :)

maybe we used to exist in another world like we do now and then we died and resurrected and got a memory loss about our past and the same might happen when the end of the world comes to an end we shall die and ressurect in another wrld and so the only ones who know the truth might have died a million years ago meaning we'll never figure out how God or the world came into existence we just have to accept it.Thats what I think

i think the universe was always there

That makes no sense... Everything needs to start from something. Please explain me your theory.

the black endless space was always there with all the stars, planets and sh**,everything needs to start from something except the space
if you know what i mean

If *everything* needs to start from something, then you have an infinite regression, so that argument is automatically wrong.

not everything ,the space never started ,it was always there

It wasn't. Space is a *product* of the Big Bang; prior to that event, it wasn't there because it didn't exist.

Yes I agree.... But what caused that event to happen? How can you create hot and dense condition in vast amount of nothingness? O.O

I need to know answers to these questions or I'll go nuts... O.@

i don't agree with everything needs to start from something

hmmm earth could have been a meteor, a moving object that wonders in space after million of years it settled in this solar system, my thought

Yeah, that is one posible explanation for creation of our Earth but I'am speaking about creation of our whole Universe not just some random Planet in some Galaxy... :P

You can't have a cause for something without space for that cause to take place, and time in which it can happen. Since the beginning of the Universe is also the beginning of space and time, that causes a distinct problem. It's not physically possible for the Big Bang to have a cause...

I don't know enough but everything that exists in the world are nothing but energy. Energy is never created or destroyed (Law of Conservation of Energy). Every existing things are in the universe are formed by small atom , even atom is made of electron,Neutron, proton also more small elements, substances those are nothing but energy. How those energy form into exsisting matters its a unknown text.
There must be a primary force to creat this universe , something must force before the bigbang.

oh! You are talking about what we did last night?

I like the theory stated in Bibel and Quran. God created the world, makes sense to me. If it was created from a meteor, or whatever it is then the question rises, who created that meteor?...Its easy to believe that god created everything from nothing. :)

Then who created God?

Invoking a god doesn't solve anything. It just doubles the size of the question.

No one created him. He was always there..:)

If you're willing to accept that something can simply "be there" without needing a cause or a creator, then you've nullified the argument you were making for God in the first place. The Universe doesn't need a cause or a creator.

It sounds like that egg and chicken things...

*my head hurts now*

If by "theory" you mean "somebody just made up a story" then yes, it's a theory.

Nothing in science gets called a theory until there is convincing proof for it. The big bang hypothesis passed that test forty years ago.

There is no debate there... But do they know what caused it? This topic is about what caused it!

@Paul.
Saint Thomas's argument is this:


1. Everything is caused by something other than itself
2. Therefore the universe was caused by something other than itself.
3. The string of causes cannot be infinitely long.
4. If the string of causes cannot be infinitely long, there must be a first cause.
5. Therefore, there must be a first cause, namely god.

St. Thomas's argument was exposed as gibberish about six centuries ago. Statement four contradicts statement one.

That was intended as a response to her "Bibel [sic] and Quran theory", which of course, ain't a theory at all.

Well...you can not explain everything with scientific proof.

Right. Not yet at least. The scientific method strives to explain everything and integrate new knowledge into old theories, whereas you propose we believe in fairy tales.
Sure fairy tales explain everything, but which fairy tale do you choose to believe? Yes, I realize that you are very attached to your own fairy tale, and that all the other ones are incorrect. I get it.

Nop! :)

So ALL creation stories are correct? Huh?

The big bang argument for the existence of god is supposed to succeed where the traditional first-cause argument fails. Let's see if it does. Ross's version of the argument goes like this:


6. Everything that had a beginning in time has a cause.
7. The universe had a beginning in time.
8. Therefore the universe had a cause.
9. The only thing that could have caused the universe is god.
10. Therefore, god exists.

Special pleading = failed argument. You can't insist that things must have a cause, and then claim that God doesn't need a cause.

What if the idea that God always existed?

It's a redundant notion. If you're going to allow that something can exist without requiring a cause, then you don't NEED a God; you can just have the Universe exist without requiring a cause.

If you're not going to allow it, then you can't HAVE God, because you need to explain what caused Him.

But then again...God is a single entity, and the Universe is a vast, complex thing. A single entity can creat itself...like a Single cell animals....why then God can not creete himself?

I must agree with Roshni on this. Simply because logic demands it. We have proof from:
1- order and law in nature, that everything, had to be created by an intelligent designer.
2- Proof from motion and change that there must be at the begining, some source or being that is not subject to any kind of change, but is a perfect being. Only a being with all perfection and having it with such necessity as to be incapable of losing any of it, or having anything added to it, only such a being is entirely removed from the possiblity of change. logicaly, only on such an unchanging being...(...) depends the FACT of change in the mutable beings we encounter in the world.
3- Proof from causality, a thing must exist before it can act. Nothing therefore can make itself. If we see anything new come into existence, we are sure it must have been brought into existence by something else. That wich is brought into existence is often called an 'effect' and what brings it into existence is called a 'cause'.
4- Proof from dependence. Everything in the visible world is subject to change and death. No particular thing in the universe has any unbreakable grip on existence. Existence is no part of its nature. Everything in the world, therefore is dependant..it does not exist of itself, but depends on something else for its existence.

The laws of logic, law and order lead to the same conclusion. A stable, unchanging, intelligent BEING.

Such a beautiful argument, Daniela. Thanks a lot.
I sure do believe there is someone behind all these creation. Things can not be just come to being in existance so orderly with out a plan and grand design.

Just think about the simple things in nature, in a human body, in space... how orderly even the simpliest part of it, how regularly they work, move, does what they meant to be doing and how they perform their job absolutely perfectly, with precesion except some minor hazards. If there was no one to design and guide these, the world will have been a very chaotic place. ...well...infact it would have ceased to exist a long time ago..

"Minor hazards". Yeah, right. Cancer is a "minor hazard" until you need chemotherapy to save your life! Cool design!

big bang is mentioned in the Quran as far as i know.. i read it in some article, cant recall where..

i have no idea George !

I did it, sorry

Haha... xD

I have no idea, but i think if we get to know, in my opinion a lot of people will get dissapointed.

Hehe.. Yeah... xD
But, atleast there will be alot of pacients for psychiatrists when part of them loose their minds in some freaky rage or something like that. LOL